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General Robert E. Lee should be a Role Model for American youth
Canada Free Press ^ | 01/18/15 | James King

Posted on 01/18/2015 11:26:40 AM PST by Sean_Anthony

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To: X Fretensis

What in the world was the average southerner fighting for then?


61 posted on 01/18/2015 2:29:09 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Sean_Anthony

” He had to make a choice to either defend the Constitution or the Union. He made the correct decision to defend the Constitution.”

What he actually needed to defend was VIRGINIA. He said so.

Truly a great man.


62 posted on 01/18/2015 2:37:32 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: X Fretensis

Well suspending habeus corpus, arresting and jailing sitting congressmen and attempting to arrest and jail the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court seems a bit more worrisome than running the yanks out of your territory after you have announced secession. :-)

I’m trying to remember the Confederate invasion of New York and Boston. LOL!


63 posted on 01/18/2015 2:39:49 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sean_Anthony

Wow, a lot of maniacal haters on this thread!

Their conniptions are entertaining, but it is sad that such ignorance can be had.

The blacks have been on their own for a hundred and fifty years.


64 posted on 01/18/2015 2:46:36 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: catfish1957

Mr catfish! Lol. Hell, I actually like catfish anyway.


65 posted on 01/18/2015 2:48:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The confederacy also suspended habeas, jailed opposition figures and never even got around to nominating a supreme court.


66 posted on 01/18/2015 2:49:08 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I’m trying to remember the Confederate invasion of New York and Boston.

Well there was the attempt to burn New York by the self-styled Confederate Army of Manhattan

There wasn't a plan to burn Boston that I know of. But then again there were no sitting congressmen arrested or any plan to arrest Chief Justice Taney either.

67 posted on 01/18/2015 2:53:33 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

” But then again there were no sitting congressmen arrested or any plan to arrest Chief Justice Taney either. “

Lincoln had at least one Congressman arrested and jailed and he put out orders to arrest Taney but thankfully cooler heads refused to carry out Lincolns’ direct orders.

Facts can be worrisome things. :-)


68 posted on 01/18/2015 3:09:27 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Facts can be worrisome things. :-)

They can be. Who was the Congressman and why do you suppose that none of Taney's biographers ever mentioned any attempt to arrest him?

69 posted on 01/18/2015 3:13:34 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: D Rider
What in the world was the average southerner fighting for then?

When you have an invading army that threatens your economy, social mores, and way of life, I'd think 9 out of 10 men would defend their land.

70 posted on 01/18/2015 3:16:00 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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To: catfish1957

I guess the not~so~bright ones do so when they bring it on themselves.


71 posted on 01/18/2015 3:17:39 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DoodleDawg

Lincoln and the “Writ of Liberty”

It is 2:30 a.m., and everyone in the darkened house is asleep. Suddenly, there are loud voices outside the house and a heavy banging at the door.

A man opens an upstairs window and looks down on the scene unfolding in his front yard. Unbelieving, he sees soldiers carrying rifles with fixed bayonets surrounding his house and an army officer at his door, shouting that he is under arrest.

The shocked citizen refuses to admit the soldiers into his home. The officer orders his men to break down the door. After forcing their way into the house, the soldiers rush upstairs and break apart two bedroom doors before finding the man they have come to arrest.

The arrested man is secretly taken aboard a special train and transported to another city where he is locked up in a military barracks. The prisoner never sees a judge and is not even formally charged with a crime. Instead, within 24 hours after his arrest, he is brought before eight army officers who put him on trial for making disloyal speeches against the government.

This incident sounds like it might have happened in Nazi Germany But it occurred in the United States and involved a former Ohio congressman named Clement L. Vallandigham. Even more surprising, the army men who arrested Vallandigham and put him on trial were given the authority to do so by one of Americas greatest presidents: Abraham Lincoln.


72 posted on 01/18/2015 3:26:09 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

There is no documented proof that Lincoln ever ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. The only narrative of the incident is from Ward Lamom in the 1880s. He was a friend and body guard to Lincoln.


73 posted on 01/18/2015 3:26:20 PM PST by X Fretensis (IW)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Ah, so when you said “sitting congressmen” you meant “former congressman.”


74 posted on 01/18/2015 3:39:11 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: DoodleDawg

The U.S. Congress man arrested was Henry May, Delegate from Baltimore. A couple of day later, one third of the Maryland legislature was arrested. This was to prevent the possibility of a vote of secession. No one actually ever tried to arrest the Chief Justice. He himself thought that he might be arrested after the Merryman decision. There is no solid proof that the Lincoln administration considered arresting Taney. Sure they would have like to, but the only source for the supposed arrest of Taney is from statements made in the 1880s by a friend and bodyguard to Lincoln.


75 posted on 01/18/2015 3:41:02 PM PST by X Fretensis (IW)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
You are aware that your own post says former congressman Clement Vallandigham, aren't you? Your original claim was sitting Congressmen.

Now, about that Taney claim?

76 posted on 01/18/2015 3:41:27 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: X Fretensis
The U.S. Congress man arrested was Henry May, Delegate from Baltimore. A couple of day later, one third of the Maryland legislature was arrested. This was to prevent the possibility of a vote of secession.

You are aware that what you are talking about occurred in September 1861? Months after the Civil War had begun? And that would mean that the Maryland legislators that you spoke of, who were a minority to begin with, were advocating joining a war ongoing against the federal government? Given all that then what would expect the government to do?

77 posted on 01/18/2015 3:46:58 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: X Fretensis

And I had not heard of Henry May before. Thank you for educating me.


78 posted on 01/18/2015 3:47:53 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: catfish1957
Right. So here is my plagerized response:

Many men believed they were fighting for their right to remove themselves from the Federal government which they felt had become tyrannical.In order to fully understand the reasoning of the South, you have to step into their shoes. Back then the US was thought of much as we think of the UN, a group of nations (or states) that were united. So if several leading nations in the UN were to tell us to do something that we thought was infringing on our rights, what would we do?

Another plagerization:

The main cause of the Civil War was States Rights. The South was afraid that Abraham Lincoln would emancipate slaves, and they believed that the US President should not be making decisions that affected the entire country and that States should have the right to make those decisions. It wasn't so much the emancipation of slaves that concerned the South, but rather the fact that if Lincoln were to free the slaves, it would be denying the states their rights.

79 posted on 01/18/2015 3:48:36 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Begs the point. The President of the Confederacy ordered Confederate military forces to fire on a United States military installation. That by the definition of the term in the Constitution of the United States is treason. It is an act of War. No different than if Canadians opened fire on Fort Niagara, or if the Royal Navy shelled Fort Sumter from their warships.


80 posted on 01/18/2015 3:49:32 PM PST by X Fretensis (IW)
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