Exposing The First Birther [Who was the first person to say that Obama was born in Kenya?]

wordpress ^ | January 17, 2015 | Steven Goddard

[Fantasywriter]

No, the evidence very clearly refutes the HDoH:

‘NEW YORK, July 24 (UPI) — CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” the controversy over President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead story.”

Klein wrote in an e-mail to staffers Thursday that CNN researchers had determined Hawaiian officials discarded paper birth documents in 2001. Thus, he said, Obama’s long-form birth certificate no longer exists, and a shorter certificate that is public is the official record.

“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote in the e-mail, first reported by the Web site TVNewser. “Since the show’s mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite (sic). And then it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.”’

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/24/CNN-chief-Obama-birth-story-dead/76681248480120/#ixzz3PeQi7pHi

I became a birther shortly after CNN issued this report. All the anti-birthers embraced it. They told us thousands of times over that no LFBC existed for Obama. They were quite vicious about it. Not one of them ever even once questioned the CNN/HI report. Rather, they just told us over and over that the COLB was all there was.

Their perfidy became evident as soon as Obama released the so-called LFBC. Without missing a beat, all the anti-birthers who had claimed it no longer existed suddenly claimed the released version was authentic.

They are such liars. Every last one of them. Lying liars. Whatever narrative Obama puts out, they believe it. He’s a pathological liar, but in the eyes of the anti-birthers his word is the gold standard. He says he was born in Kenya. Well, okay, anti-birthers agree that *that* time he was lying. But then he says he was born in HI, and *that* time he is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

How do they know? Because a LFBC they had formerly sworn didn’t exist suddenly exists.

They are slow-witted & gullible. Every last one of them.

[cynwoody]

According to the book, when Obama got back to Washington after finding the booklet while going through his mother's things in Chicago, he showed it to White House Counsel Bob Bauer, who immediately recognized it as a "commemorative keepsake" and not the sought-after birth certificate. The question of whether to go after the long form birth certificate came up.

Bauer thought no, the short form was his BC and was all the law required, and they'd long since posted that.

David Plouffe reasoned that, on the one hand, most voters think Obama was born in Hawaii and think the birthers are nuts, and, therefore, that the more oxygen Trump got, the better. On the other hand, if the birther cause were to gain traction among normal voters, it could spell trouble ...

Obama reportedly was getting tired of it, saying "I understand that politically this is probably good for us, since it makes their party look crazy. But let's pop the balloon and shut down this foolishness once and for all."

In the event, Bauer got the job of getting the HDoH to cough up the certificate. Which they did. Obama's lawyer Judith Corley journied to Honolulu and hand-carried two certified copies back to the White House. How much did that cost? How much would FedEx have charged?

Of course, we know what happened next. As soon as the scan was posted, the birfers started counting PDF layers ....

[cynwoody]

According to the book, when Obama got back to Washington after finding the booklet while going through his mother's things in Chicago, he showed it to White House Counsel Bob Bauer, who immediately recognized it as a "commemorative keepsake" and not the sought-after birth certificate. The question of whether to go after the long form birth certificate came up.

Bauer thought no, the short form was his BC and was all the law required, and they'd long since posted that.

David Plouffe reasoned that, on the one hand, most voters think Obama was born in Hawaii and think the birthers are nuts, and, therefore, that the more oxygen Trump got, the better. On the other hand, if the birther cause were to gain traction among normal voters, it could spell trouble ...

Obama reportedly was getting tired of it, saying "I understand that politically this is probably good for us, since it makes their party look crazy. But let's pop the balloon and shut down this foolishness once and for all."

In the event, Bauer got the job of getting the HDoH to cough up the certificate. Which they did. Obama's lawyer Judith Corley journied to Honolulu and hand-carried two certified copies back to the White House. How much did that cost? How much would FedEx have charged?

Of course, we know what happened next. As soon as the scan was posted, the birfers started counting PDF layers ....

[Fantasywriter]

Honestly, I could care less what Double Down claims. The short passage I posted was nauseatingly pro-Obama. By which, I mean they probably went through three pairs of knee-pads just writing that one brief section.

What I am asking for is an independent quotation from one of the *many* people Obama claims to have shown the souvenir ‘birth certificate’ to. I.e.: a quote independent of Double Down.

If this booklet was worth warm spit, why didn’t one of those *many* people ever mention it? Why on *no* occasion has not even one of those *many* people commented, ‘Well, I personally saw the souvenir birth certificate. It was real, and very interesting,’ or similar.

I await the quote. And again, NOT from Double Down. I’ve seen enough Double Down Drivel for one night, thank you.

[cynwoody]

Yeah, right. Anybody who would get upset over CNN's incompetence needs to get a life.

Here we have Fred's photo of Loretta Fuddy down in the HDoH stacks:

We see that they store the paper documents bound in numbered, dated books. If you ever visited a deeds registry back in the old days, you know that's how they stored real estate deeds. You looked up buyers and sellers in the grantee / grantor index, which gave you book/page references, which you wrote down. Then off to the stacks. You pulled down the appropriate book, found the page, and took the book over to a copy machine and pumped in your nickels.

Back in the eighties, I happened to visit the Middlesex County Registry of Deeds in Cambridge, Massachusetts. There was a big room with card catalogs for the indexes and stacks of books. It was the bag-phone era, and the place was full of people chasing down documents and reporting back on their phones.

Nowadays, of course, the grantor / grantee indexes are computerized and lead to page images in a database.

Sadly, Hawaii decided to save some money and omit the page images. Instead, they entered the key birth details into a database and pronounced that a certified copy of those details would fulfill the law's requirements. That's all the short-form is: the output of a database query formatted onto expensive looking paper and stamped and signed by an official.

[Fred Nerks]

That’s Fuddy down in the archives, those binder volumes show the word BIRTH on the spines, so what do you think might be inside?
Real Estate deeds?
You’re not making any sense.

[Fantasywriter]

‘CNN’s incompetence’

CNN said they got the info from HI Officials. That version of ‘the truth’ was publically represented as such for nearly two years. If CNN had incompetently misrepresented the HI Officials there was ample time to correct the record.

But there was no correction; rather, the report was staunchly defended. I know this because I was personally told an obnoxious number of times that no LFBC for Obama existed, & that the COLB was all there was. I was told this was info directly from HI. I lived through that, and I remember how adamant the anti-birthers were about it.

It has never ceased to amaze me how lightning-fast the turnaround was. One day the anti-birthers were swearing to me that no LFBC existed for Obama, and that only crazy birthers would doubt the all-efficacy of the COLB; the next day the same exact anti-birthers were swearing the LFBC was the authentic, vault copy.

They are nuts. No sane person could reach a different conclusion.

[cynwoody]

You’re not making any sense.

Based on that post and #148, I recommend you find a good course in remedial reading comprehension.

[Fred Nerks]

...Sadly, Hawaii decided to save some money and omit the page images. Instead, they entered the key birth details into a database and pronounced that a certified copy of those details would fulfill the law's requirements. That's all the short-form is: the output of a database query formatted onto expensive looking paper and stamped and signed by an official.

And just what do you think might be inside those folders marked 'births' in the archives?

[freepersup]

The crux of the issue, barring an offshore birth- is what did the founding fathers intend by using the plural of citizen parent?

Their intent was to disqualify a foreign influenced candidate. PERIOD!

The criteria only applies to two job openings; the Presidency, and the Vice Presidency.

The genius is that the population can be a million, one hundred million, three hundred million, or six hundred million. No matter the population count, the qualifier is to be born of citizen parents. In other words: LOYALTY.

One need only look at the disloyalty being conveyed by little Barry Soetoro / Barry Soebarkah / Barack Hussein Obama... to grasp the intent of the parameters set for the highest office in the nation. God, guns and guts. Hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. Obama is the quintessential example of what the founding fathers were trying to prevent.

Preventing loyalty to someone, to something, or to somewhere else- other than this (our) country, was the purpose for holding the qualifications of presidency to a higher standard than any other. WHAT FURTHER EXAMPLE IS NEEDED?

YES! I am saying that there are four forms of citizenship. 1- By birth- one parent a US citizen and YOU were born here- 2- YOU were born elsewhere but to a US citizen- 3- You came here via legal immigration, and over time became a US citizen; and 4- YOU were born to parents that were both US citizens (already.) The latter being the qualifier for Presidency. ALL other government jobs are open to those born to one US parent or to those migrating here legally.

IT AIN'T COMPLICATED!!!

Using such criteria- Obama is out with only a single qualifying parent, and- sadly, Ted Cruz is out for the same reason. Flame away. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bottom line- you want to be president of the USA? Be born to two US citizen parents, and you have met the founder's threshold or intent! Of course- it really doesn't matter now- seeing how we have devolved into a banana republic.

That being said; I would vote for Ted Cruz in a heartbeat, whether he had only one citizen parent at birth, or because he was otherwise born in Tim-Buk-Tu.

Yee old cat's out of the bag.

[Fred Nerks]

...Kindly cite evidence of my "investment" in Dreams.

Gladly. Anyone who has accepted the nonsense that the white girl born in Kansas married the black native from Kenya and gave birth to their child in Hawaii, has an 'investment' in dreams...

[cynwoody]

And just what do you think might be inside those folders marked 'births' in the archives?

Well, why don't you tell me.

Obviously, either the long forms themselves or contemporaneous copies thereof. Hopefully there are backups somewhere other than the island of Oahu.

Now what do you suppose the HDoH physically did in order to provide Judy Corley with those two certified copies she carried back to the White House?

Obviously, somebody descended down into the stacks, found the volume containing the long forms for August 1961, took it off the shelf, turned to Obama's form, pressed it down onto the copier, made two copies, then signed and stamped them. Duh! Those copies are what they turned over when Ms. Corley showed up to collect them!

[Fred Nerks]

So far, so good. It’s how the document got there that’s of interest.

[cynwoody]

Gladly. Anyone who has accepted the nonsense that the white girl born in Kansas married the black native from Kenya and gave birth to their child in Hawaii, has an 'investment' in dreams...

In your original snark, you capitalized and italicized "Dreams". Any normal reader would take that to refer to the narrative Obama put out under his name in his book Dreams from My Father. That story is the keystone of his legend and also the primary source of his net worth (at least until he starts collecting those post-presidency speaking fees).

As for the anarchist white girl from Kansas having a child with the communist, anti-colonialist black student from Kenya, well, I hate to break it to you, but that's what happened! All we're doing here is arguing over the details, such as where Anarchist Annie may or may not have slept during the time frame and whether it matters.

You might want to read Jack Cashill on the topic. Cashill, by the way, is why I above wrote "put out under his name" instead of simply "wrote". But that's a whole other google.

[cynwoody]

It’s how the document got there that’s of interest.

Probably the same way as those of the Nordyke twins and that of Stig John Wadelich.

[Fred Nerks]

‘Dreams’ or dreams, it really doesn’t matter, they are both the same, and I wasn’t snarking, I simply wanted to suggest that you’ve been sold a fairy tale.
You believe the dream, I don’t. It’s a fabrication from start to finish, but it gave an unidentified child an ID.

[Nero Germanicus]

“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”— Congressman James Madison, House of Representatives, May 22, 1789

[Fred Nerks]

Stig Waidelich was born on August 5, 1961 in the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, where President Obama says he was born. Monika Danielson is Stig's mother and she has vivid memories from the hospital after Stig was born. Monika told CNN that she remembers visiting the nursery after Stig's birth and seeing a lot of Asian babies, one white baby which was her son, and one black baby.

Because Monika is from Sweden, she told CNN that she had not seen many black children or babies before, which was why she particularly remembers seeing this black baby in the nursery. When President Obama became a candidate in 2008, Monika noticed his birth date and hospital in an article and remembered that day in the nursery. She believes that baby she spotted was indeed President Obama. ###

As of the 2010 U.S. Census, there were 1,360,301 people living in Hawaii. Of those people, 24.7% were Caucasian, 14.5% were of Filipino descent, 13.6% were of Japanese descent, 8.9% were of Hispanic or Latino descent, 5.9% were of Hawaiian descent and 4.0% were of Chinese descent. Interestingly, 23.6% of the population identified themselves as belonging to two or more races, up 2% from the 2000 census. Of those people who identify themselves as belonging totally of one race alone or in combination with one or more other races, 57.4% are in whole or partially Asian, 41.5% in whole or partially Caucasian and 26.2% in whole or partially Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander.

~~~

Needless to say, if she saw a coloured child on that day, it might have been any combination of the above...a polynesian/pacific islander offspring for example. I know the stats quoted above are recent, but a similar situation would have existed in 1961.

Her recollection is imo worthless.

[cynwoody]

I know the stats quoted above are recent, but a similar situation would have existed in 1961.

Her recollection is imo worthless.

Monika Danielson is one account. You can dismiss it if you want, but it sounded perfectly credible to me.

Cindy Pratt, the furniture store owner's daughter, was also there at the time. According to Maraniss, she called the birth of little Barry "a scandal and a half". "Mostly in those days anything interracial was frowned upon. I remember we were all shocked. Today it wouldn't be anything. In those days it was kind of kept quiet or whatever." Maraniss continues, "For Stan to imply that the little boy was native Hawaiian was mostly an inside joke, but also a way to protect the family, even in Hawaii, where there were more interracial marriages than in any other state."

In view of that, it shouldn't be so surprising that Monika Danielson noticed one baby out of the ordinary in the hospital nursery — out of the ordinary even for Hawaii in 1961. After all, most of the babies would have been asian-asian, white-asian, or white-white. But there was one who was white-anthracite-black!

That is all quite interesting, given the positive reception the U of H's first African foreign student allegedly received. The locals were

immediately taken by the one and only African student in their midst. "He was very black, probably the blackest person I've ever met," recalled [Pake] Zane, a Chinese-Hawaiian, who now runs an antiques shop a few miles from the university.

"Handsome in his own way," Zane said. "But the most impressive thing was his voice. His voice and his inflection -- he had this Oxford accent. You heard a little Kenyan English, but more this British accent with this really deep, mellow voice that just resounded. If he said something in the room and the room was not real noisy, everybody stopped and turned around. I mean he just had this wonderful, wonderful voice. He was charismatic as a speaker."

For him, Anarchist Annie was a push-over.

[Fred Nerks]

I don't doubt that the Swedish woman might have seen a child in the hospital nursery that was possibly part Polynesian and/or part pacific islander, she would hardly have known the difference. Any not-quite-white baby in a hospital crib with only face and hands showing doesn't make an identification of zero, and you know that, so why bring it up?

Maraniss can write what he likes, the Pratt daughter, he claims, told him the birth of 'little Barry' was a scandal and a half...

Really? She was only thirteen in 1961. She said 'we were all shocked'

In those days it was kind of kept quiet or whatever

Do I take it then that the family sat around the kitchen table, the Pratts and the Dunhams and talked about how shocked they were?

I'm just a little wary of discussions that veer all over the place - why bother to describe what the Kenyan student looked like and how deep his voice was. Then you add, for good measure;

For him, Anarchist Annie was a push-over.

That's pretty pathetic, considering the only place they ever met was in dreams. That's Dreams From My Father.

That's it from me. Having a different POV has never been popular here. I can wait until it all comes out in the wash, but can you?