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Open request to Senator Cruz

Posted on 01/22/2015 2:41:41 PM PST by big bad easter bunny

The Constitution requires that for you to be eligible to be president, both of your parents must be naturally born citizens. You do not meet that qualification, if I am wrong please straiten me out. If you get the nomination I promise you the democrats will do what the republicans are too scared to do.

Dear Ted I think you are awesome but we all need to know the answer to this.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthers; certifigate; cruz; eligibility; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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To: big bad easter bunny

Stari Decisis. Obama set the precedent. What difference does it make now?


41 posted on 01/22/2015 3:32:29 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: rarestia

The Current Occupant was not troubled in the least with the nuances of the state of citizenship of his father. The argument has been reduced to a moot point, and not applicable to Ted Cruz in this circumstance.

Nowhere is there a requirement that both parents be “natural born citizens”, only that one of them should be, and the birth in a foreign country in no wise compromises Ted Cruz’ right to be declared a “natural born citizen”. If this does impair the claim, than a LOT of children born while their military of State Department parents were overseas, are also denied the “natural born” status.


42 posted on 01/22/2015 3:36:43 PM PST by alloysteel (Je suis Charlie)
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To: Revel

The very first Congress (roughly the same set of people who wrote the Constitution) passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 that was signed by President Washington (April 30, 1789 – March 4, 1797).

The act fulfilled the Constitutionally enumerated power of Congress to establish the rule of naturalization. In that Act, It also provided for citizenship for the children of U.S. citizens born abroad, but specified that the right of citizenship did “not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States”. It specifies that such children “shall be considered as natural born citizens” — the only U.S. statute to ever use the term “natural born citizen”.

One minor typo correction from my prior email - it is Title 8 not Title 18, my bad.


43 posted on 01/22/2015 3:39:15 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: potlatch

I am very glad I asked this question by all the wigging out that has occurred, many people here sound like the anti birthers out there 7 years ago. This is not giving any ammunition to them, they will come up with it on their own as revenge for questioning Obama. Ted needs to just come out and justify his understanding of the law, that’s it, I have every right to have my understanding of the Constitution.


44 posted on 01/22/2015 3:40:09 PM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: SoConPubbie

“Please provide the relevant sections of the U.S. Constitution that clearly and unambiguously define “Natural Born” as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.”

Lame. Obviously the meaning of the term “Natural Born” was as clear to the people of the time as the term “Thou shout not kill”. The only way to prove anything is to define what “Natural born citizen” meant. There is a common sense tendency to believe that it meant a lot. That it was in fact the strongest qualifying term used in the entire constitution. Because it is in fact so important to the survival of the country. I would be curious to see how ancient dictionaries defined the term.

I do know that anyone with any survival skills who was sitting down to write such a great constitution would be a fools to not raise that bar to an extreme level.

For me it would be a citizen born in the US to two US parents. With the only exclusion being any US citizen who fought in the revolutionary war.


45 posted on 01/22/2015 3:40:53 PM PST by Revel
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To: SoConPubbie

Geez, thank you. Same stuff, different day.

Cruz or lose!


46 posted on 01/22/2015 3:42:33 PM PST by Obadiah (Wind turbines, aka: bird choppers, cause earthquakes due to their harmonic frequencies.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Cruz is pretty cool in most ways but,

I’ll tell you this much if Cruz had his way then the term “Illegal Immigrant” would be a mute term. Because Anyone could just walk up to the boarder and get a “Citizenship” card. And that pretty creepy.


47 posted on 01/22/2015 3:44:42 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel
Lame. Obviously the meaning of the term “Natural Born” was as clear to the people of the time as the term “Thou shout not kill”. The only way to prove anything is to define what “Natural born citizen” meant. There is a common sense tendency to believe that it meant a lot. That it was in fact the strongest qualifying term used in the entire constitution. Because it is in fact so important to the survival of the country. I would be curious to see how ancient dictionaries defined the term.

Whether you think it is lame or not, The US Constitution, US Laws, and SCOTUS rulings are the records of authority on the issue, NOT your understanding of what it meant or how many people believed it's meaning to require 2 Parents that were US Citizens.

Words have meaning. You just can't assume something and expect it to be constitutional.

Furthermore, you don't know if everyone held that definition or opinion, I've seen documents from just after the Constitution was signed where some people stated that it did not require 2 US Citizen parents, thus the need for it to be spelled out if you want it to be an actual Consitutional and Legal definition.
48 posted on 01/22/2015 3:45:59 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Revel; stephenjohnbanker
I’ll tell you this much if Cruz had his way then the term “Illegal Immigrant” would be a mute term. Because Anyone could just walk up to the boarder and get a “Citizenship” card. And that pretty creepy.

Really?

And where is your proof of that accusation?
49 posted on 01/22/2015 3:46:44 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: big bad easter bunny
NBC = NoBody Cares

Cruz is eligible.

50 posted on 01/22/2015 3:46:56 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: big bad easter bunny

There have been recent articles about him giving up his dual citizenship. There are many articles on Google about this.

Cruz was born in Alberta, Canada, in 1970. The possible 2016 presidential candidate’s mother is American, making him eligible for the White House.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/10/ted-cruz-renounces-canadian-citizenship/


51 posted on 01/22/2015 3:48:07 PM PST by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: big bad easter bunny

My answer is to look at the current president. OBVIOUSLY the natural-born citizenship requirement is no longer operative.


52 posted on 01/22/2015 3:48:30 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: big bad easter bunny
The Constitution requires that for you to be eligible to be president,...

The NBC Fever Swamp has its own constitution? Who knew?

53 posted on 01/22/2015 3:49:22 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: Revel
All of your rebuttal was just your opinion.

Nothing of that statement established the current constitutional and/or legal nature of your opinion.

As of right now according to the US Constitution, it's Amendments, US Law and SCOTUS rulings, Senator Ted Cruz IS a Natural Born US Citizen, he is older than 35 years of age and therefore, Senator Ted Cruz is eligible to be President of the United States.


CRUZ or LOSE!
54 posted on 01/22/2015 3:49:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
You haven't been following the news. Cruz believes in unlimited legal immigration. Just what do you call that?
55 posted on 01/22/2015 3:50:22 PM PST by Revel
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t think I have ever seen such a confrontational agreement.

BTW, where can I find a substantive exposition with citations for your “legal Constitutional” definition of “Natural Born Citizen”? I thought your whole position was built around the notion that there is NOT any such definition.

Also, can you cite any contemporaneous reference from the late 18th century expounding that notion that natural born citizenship requires only one co-citizen parent? And nothing from English Çommon Law, please, we are speaking here of the nascent United States.


56 posted on 01/22/2015 3:50:48 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: big bad easter bunny

IBTZ


57 posted on 01/22/2015 3:52:54 PM PST by Gator113 (Cruz, Lee, and Sessions speak for me.... most anyone else is just noise.)
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To: Revel

The word is “moot” not “mute”.

Also, you have a pretty creepy misapprehension of Cruz’s position on illegal immigration.


58 posted on 01/22/2015 3:53:03 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: big bad easter bunny; Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe
The Constitution requires that for you to be eligible to be president, both of your parents must be naturally born citizens

No it doesn't.

Show me where the constitution says "both parents" at any place. It is not in there at all. Zero. Zilch.

59 posted on 01/22/2015 3:53:21 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Revel
You haven't been following the news. Cruz believes in unlimited legal immigration. Just what do you call that?

Posting an accusation does not make it true.

He never has advocated "unlimited" legal immigration. That is a flat-out lie.
60 posted on 01/22/2015 3:53:48 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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