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To: libertarian neocon
""all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

And this means what to you? Anybody who drops a bundle here within the physical confines of the US is a citizen?

If that were the case, then why all the extra hubbub in the amendment? Things like "subject to the jurisdiction of" and the additions of "and of the states wherein they reside?

5 posted on 08/26/2015 6:34:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

“And this means what to you? Anybody who drops a bundle here within the physical confines of the US is a citizen?”

Unfortunately yes. I have to agree with the 2011 version of Cruz on this.


7 posted on 08/26/2015 6:38:41 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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of the State wherein they reside. —

Yeah, the hospital bed, for a few hours before getting back on the jet to Chins.

Oh. State just means State of Mind. Living in their own head.

And United States means those who think alike.

See. It is obvious. Settled law.


14 posted on 08/26/2015 6:41:32 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: Gaffer
If that were the case, then why all the extra hubbub in the amendment? Things like "subject to the jurisdiction of" and the additions of "and of the states wherein they reside?

Why include "A well-regulated militia..." in the 2nd?

48 posted on 08/26/2015 7:09:40 AM PDT by Wolfie
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It’s been pointed out that the word “jurisdiction” can mean two things. Both “territorial”, and “full” or “political” jurisdiction. Territorial jurisdiction applies to “sojourners”, temporary residents, citizens of other nations, and those with no citizenship.

Political jurisdiction applies to citizens, just to citizens, and not even to “legal residents”. It applies civil rights across the board, limited only in minors and felons.

While the federal government may extend full jurisdiction to those who do not constitutionally qualify for it, they do not have full jurisdiction by constitutional means, but by legal means.

The biggest example of this crossover are “corporate civil rights”. Nothing in the constitution requires corporations to have civil rights, for the important reason that they are *not* “endowed by the Creator”, and thus are inherent; *nor* are they constitutional civil rights, required in the constitution. But only legal rights, created by government which can be changed by government.

Illegal aliens are in the same boat. While the argument of whether those already granted citizenship is moot, by being “grandfathered”, those who do not have citizenship may be prohibited from getting it through being born here.


59 posted on 08/26/2015 7:26:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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