Tinfoiled Again!
Posted on 11/20/2015 8:56:40 AM PST by w1n1
“If you don’t want to buy GM food, buy food that is not GM.
Problem solved.”
If GM food genes mix with non-GM food genes (and they have and will), the consumer won’t know it. Problem not solved.
What effect would this growth hormone have on humans? Will people grow to be 8 feet tall? (I'll be looking forward to seeing warning labels on these salmon "do not consume while pregnant").
How do we know for sure the type of hormone they inject?
Why make a healthy food fake?
“If GM food genes mix with non-GM food genes (and they have and will), the consumer won’t know it. Problem not solved.”
So much irrationality packed in to one sentence.
Why would the consumer not know?
You said it is known that the genes have mixed (”they have and will”).
You are contradicting yourself.
“Will people grow to be 8 feet tall?”
Yes, of course.
Like Guam will tip over.
If anything, they want people shorter so they can fit more people in the same amount of space.
Oooof. That’s part of the problem. The Constitution does not belong to “constitutional scholars” or government officials. The Constitution belongs to you, me and the American People. It is the ONLY legal document and bulwark of freedom against federal tyranny.
I mean, you’ve kind of hit the nail on the head.The American People themselves need to be WELL VERSED in the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended.
It is the American People that MUST know and understand the presumptions of the Constitution and what it contains. IT IS THEIRS and no one else’s. The American People MUST the use the Constitution as the legal basis for recall, impeachment, and state nullification.
My background is completely irrelevant. The issue is the American People or a significant portion of them must become familiar with the document that legally allows America to be the special place it is.
What does it take to inform our population? I don’t know, but it needs to happen. I mean anyone could get a copy of the Constitution if they wanted, but they should read the Declaration of Independence first since that contains certain presumptions of the Constitution (for instance, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are not government-given, but God-Given right; that we the peole via the states CREATE and DELEGATE certain LIMITED and ENUMERATED powers to the feds via the Constitution).
Good one.
I thought you might be a Constitutional Scholar because I think only an expert could read the first enumerated power:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
And argue that determining safety of products sold as food or drug does not provide for the general welfare.
Or Frankenfish, as it’s known in Alaska.
“So much irrationality packed in to one sentence. Why would the consumer not know?”
So much naivete and ignorance packed into one question. Growers and suppliers themselves don’t necessarily know about contamination events (for example, pollen from a GM crop blows into a field with non-GMO crops; GM animals mate with non-GMO animals), so how would the consumer know?
Except of course then they grossly over step, and 15 years from now we’ll find out a bunch of stuff they approved is actually killing people. Like so often happens with the government, conceptually a good idea, in practice often a failure.
Well, again, this is why we need to get familiar with this document and get some SOUND teaching to go along with it (”sound” constitutional teaching is almost non-existent).
Art I, Sec 8, Cl 1 enumerates the power of Congress to collect taxes. “General welfare” is a justification for collecting taxes but is not itself an enumerated power. It is important to remember that the founders were very concerned about limiting specific powers to the central government.
I suppose part of a good constitutional education would also include critical source documents like certain Federalist and Anti-federalist Papers.
BTW, I am a graduate of Regent University School of Law but have not yet passed the bar. I have studied the Constitution formally and informally for the past ten years or so. A very good and committed Christian University, Regent, however, taught Constitutional Law the usual way law schools teach it which is based on mostly unconstitutional 20th century SCOTUS decisions. Bar Review Programs (not Regent University) tell you for Constitutional Law, “don’t actually READ the Constitution because it will only confuse you.” Of course, because the legal profession bases “Constitutional Law” on mostly unconstitutional SCOTUS decisions of the 20th century.
It is an uphill battle. The Left is firmly entrenched in law schools as it is in so much of America institutions. Yes, it is a daunting and uphill battle. Don’t know how the populace will get the education they need about the Constitution, but they’ve got to get it - because constitutionally based freedom is their destiny.
BTW, Regent DOES include a history of the Christian foundations of the law that goes back to Aquinas and includes Blackstone. It is excellent and probably should also be included in learning about the Constitution. Very few law schools if any, except Regent, teach the Judeo-Christian roots of our common law or the genesis of the Constitution. How I hate the Left.
There are so many things I wish I could do. This is one of them. What are you going to do, start a school? No, it’s too limited. The need is so great right now to teach as many as possible as quickly as possible the incredibly wonderful riches of freedom and this most miraculous and precious political/legal document which protects that freedom.
The opposite happens as well with unreasonable safety concerns hampering potentially helpful products.
Impressive.
You are a Constitutional Scholar.
The enumerated powers are solely to allow providing for the general welfare (among other things).
That is above an enumerated power.
What is that called?
General stuff like “general welfare” in that clause and the preamble are PURPOSES for the enumerated powers, not the enumerated powers themselves. The feds have no “general” powers, only specific, limited, enumerated powers. The feds/Congress have no general power to “provide for the general welfare.”
Enumerated powers for Congress include, for instance, the list of clauses in Art I, Section 8.
Maybe a book. Wouldn’t it be great to somehow put together a book that was both readable, understandable , AND something people would actually buy to learn about their freedom and the Constitution that protects it? Enough people that would make a difference? A dream of mine I guess. That is a case where I really WOULD only want to do it if I thought it would make a difference.
I will only eat it if it has some dolphin meat mixed in with it.
And I’m in the office!
The purpose of the constitution is to allow for things that the FDA does, among many other things, in providing for the general welfare.
NO.
There are NO SWEEPING powers delegated to the feds by the Constitution. ONLY LIMITED, ENUMERATED powers delegated to the feds by the Constitution.
If you don’t get that, then you’re unwittingly siding with the Leftist tyrants and “liberal theorists” who twist the original understanding and intent of the actual writing of the Constitution to create a totalitarian government - something the Constitution was NEVER intended to do.
If your city enacted a law that said running a red light is illegal, someone might say, Oh, well, since the accused didn’t SEE the red light, then she didn’t break the law when she ran the red light because she didn’t know it was a red light. But was that the intent of the law? You have to review the records of the city council leading up to passage of the law and when you do, you find that in the discussion about passing the law, you find the city council determined that running a red light was illegal regardless of whether the driver actually saw the red light or not. So the original intent of the law is what matters.
Same with the Constitution. You can’t insert your own interpretation. You have to look at what is actually written (purpose is NOT an enumerated power) and originally understood and intended (the clear intent of the founders who just risked their lives against a totalitarian government) to SPECIFICALLY limit the powers of the central government. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments, which are mandatory authority, clearly state this. Further proof from source documents, persuasive authority, are the Federalist Papers and Anti-federalist Papers which clearly spell this out.
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