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If a car is behind you, would you necessarily be able to tell if the driver is in uniform?
CWII Ping, for my vanity posting on the recent shooting in Eastern Oregon.
Grateful for your analysis......Pure ambush with intent to murder.
Good thread ... and shared on my FB
“none appear in the least bit to be law enforcement vehicles.”
Exactly.
See LameCherry for some information.
Ammon Bundy was going to the largest venue around to talk about his returning home. Bretzing (sp?) knew about it, as did DC.
“Timmons was a setup.” (Mark Wahlberg in one of his movies).
Well then, What is it?
We have to call it SOMETHING.
And if you were several weeks into a stand off with police after seizing federal lands you'd be a complete idiot to think the car with flashing red and blue lights following you on federal property was anything but the cops.
Why do people keep insisting Finicum was not a man of his word when he said he wasn't going to prison? All this effort to suggest he was too ignorant to realize that was the police behind him? Show some damn respect.
Look in the back of the black government pickup at the roadblock in your last photo.
What is in there? Traffic signs? Shields?
They also had a police dog.
Why didn’t they use it?
A guy stumbling in deep snow would be easy for a dog to take down.
Great points, I had never considered this aspect!
Big Bump, very good observations. Can you put it in a format that can be posted on social media? I don’t know how, I am not a media maven, just something as compelling as this deserves to be seen far beyond FR. Thx.
Law Enforcement failed in this instance.
The standard is that no one is shot.
We have an American citizen who is dead.
Law enforcement failed.
It is not loyalty to law enforcement to accept incompetence. It is merely being loyal to incompetence.
So it was a setup. So it was murder. WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT?
The next time it might be you or I.
If you haven’t done so or need a refresher, read Travis McGee’s Trilogy and “What I Saw At The Coup”.
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If I were stopped on a rural highway in the middle of nowhere by two black SUV's with no markings, non-uniformed drivers, and given no identification or verbal commands I would probably drive away too.
The behavior of the US law enforcement in this respect is reminiscent of something you would see in a Latin American country, where police act as free-lance strong arm units, operate shadowy death squads, and use poorly marked roadblocks for nefarious purposes.
This is not in the tradition of American law enforcement.
This was not a pursuit following a crime (such as a bank robbery or something) where in emergency un-marked or civilian vehicles might be pressed into service. This was a highly planned operation that included air-support.
Given that one can only assume that the choice of using all unmarked vehicles and non-uniformed officers was intentional.
Why? My surmise is that they hoped to engender exactly the response they got, to escalate what should have been a simple traffic stop into a "felon fleeing arrest". It certainly has many indicators of a pre-planned setup with malicious intent on the part of the agencies directing it.
“...If I were stopped on a rural highway in the middle of nowhere by two black SUV’s with no markings, non-uniformed drivers, and given no identification or verbal commands I would probably drive away too. ...”
Add to the above scenario —being shot at—
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> note the absence of road flares, safety signs, warning cones or any other device warning motorists to slow down.
At time index 25:55 in the FBI video you can see a police vehicle in the southbound lane north of the roadblock. There are also police vehicles south of the roadblock. The AO was clear.
(reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ )
This is the first comment I made when i heard about the entire assassination.Did these guys even have probable cause to make the stop?Appears they did not.Someone needs to hire a really good attorney and go to town.
I can see why there would be a big rush to clear these people out seeing as there are only 555 Federal Wildlife Refuges.
This was a failed law enforcement operation.
It was incompetently planned and incompetently executed.
The standard for this operation to be called a success is that no shots are fired and no one is shot.
The law enforcement personnel involved in this operation did not meet that standard.
They failed.
Accepting the incompetence of the law enforcement personnel in this operation is not showing loyalty to law enforcement.
It is showing loyalty to incompetence.