Posted on 09/14/2016 8:43:08 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
So, “Molon Lave Me,” and, “Rock and Goad,” and all that, hooraw, yeehaw, and etc., but, if ever—-well…a better way, would be to find a better way
Hi there, Prepper.
Ready for the Zombie Apocalypse?
Got your off-the-grid, bugout bag and property and shelter all tricked out with the latest in alarms, freeze-dried food, barbed wire, and see-in-the-dark scopes?
Got the camo, ballistic vest with the water bladder, 300 rounds of 7.62 or 5.56 ammo inside 10 magazines? Is that the vest with the built in holster for the Glock 21 with 13 rounds in the grip, plus two extra loaded magazines? You gonna wear all that and carry the 25 lb pack loaded with survival gear and hard, sharp goodies, and the 8 or 10 lb rifle with the clip on flashlight, red dot scope, side-flip magnifier, built in bipod, and suppressor?
You are right about this. BUT, there won't ever be a civil conflict. Here's why:
1. By and large, Americans are too chickesh!t to do anything. Those that MAY or those that are ABLE have invested far too much in life to give it all up. Mortgages, new/semi-new cars, toys (boats, quads, bikes, guns, etc.), big screen TV's and others.
The very moment that someone does anything resembling civil conflict, that all goes away. It's the same mentality that keeps a lot of people away from protests and rallies: "I gotta work that day". The government knows full well that debt is slavery, and they have done very well enslaving the population.
I know what you are thinking, and it's the same tired statement that most offer: "When the people lose all of that, they will fight back." Well, ok, you're right again. Which is the very reason that they will likely not "lose it all".
The powered elites are not about to let themselves and their families live in the post-apocalytpic landscape of a total economic breakdown. As such, they will do everything in their power to maintain the "status quo".
Think about it like this: in 2008, the feds had contingency plans for their contingency plans. There was an article that came out a while back that shed light on this, and the fact that they didn't even use most the initial contingency plans. They didn't need to because, as bad as things got, they didn't get bad enough. If things had been much, much worse, no worries. They had plans for that, too.
How about the fact that we have been teetering on the brink of economic collapse for decades now? In fact, every bit of sound and proven economic wisdom and theory suggests we should have collapsed long ago. Yet, here we are - status quo - and I'd be willing to bet that is where we'll stay.
Another big objection when I say that civil insurrection will never occur? "It will the day they start confiscating the weapons!" Perhaps, but I daresay we have been OK thus far with anything the feds do to restrict gun right - Assault weapons ban in 1994? That's ok.
Take a peek at California. I know many fine, upstanding, gun owning patriots in the Golden State, some of which are family. Has there been any conflict there yet? Sure, they haven't come for the guns yet, but they have made many of the rifles owned illegal, making their owners criminals. That in istelf is enough to rise up against. Yet here we are - status quo.
We are perfectly ok with submitting to background checks to buy new guns. Show me where the 2nd Amendment says "Shall not be infringed, as long as you have a background check". Hell, those so-called "patriots" that hold FFL's are perfectly ok with pissing all over the 2nd Amendment, just to make the almighty $$$. Think they will give that up to fight back? If you do, I'd point to the gun store owners forced to hand over client info to the feds. Sure, they 'resisted' doing so, but in the end, the feds won, and turned that dude's worled upside down. No insurrection followed.
Hell, even in Tejas, the alleged bastion of freedom, liberty & sovereignty, gun owners are perfectly ok with asking permission via permits to open carry pistols. I mean, let's face it: if they did anything less, it would mean legal battles, jail time and more. So, even in that alleged enclave of liberty, they have been willing to submit to the state's requirements.
What if Hitlery gets the win this November, and appoints the most liberal of judges to SCOTUS? Well, I doubt very seriously they will outright confiscate your weapons. Instead, they will slowly make it harder and harder - impossible, in most cases - to obtain certain types of firearms.
They won't come for yours, but they'll make sure you can't get the ammo to use with it. Same with the rest of the guns that they don't outright ban. In time, your collection will be useless. Either that, or they will force you to register in order to be able to make ammo purchases (refer to California!). As such, they will know what you have, and will be sure that you won't be able to pass it along to your children, or ever use it against the state.
In general, Americans who already submit to UN-Constitutional background checks and permitting requirements will be ok with this, because, hey, at least they ain't confiscating those weapons! You'll still own them, alright, but going back to my original point, should you attempt to use them against the state, well, that will require just far too much sacrifice, since you'll also likely have that aforementioned mortgage, car, job, toys, etc.
2. Those small handfuls of patriots that HAVE stood, such as at Bundy Ranch or at Malheur, are berated and dragged through the mud by PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIMILAR BELIEFS! I can't tell you the number of times I watched as folks, right here on FR, denigrated those that stood bravely, calling them idiots, stupid and more! "That's not the hill to die on" most suggest. Well, you know what? They stood for pure freedom, and I don't care what the hill, the truth is that freedom is ALWAYS worthy to die for.
How the hell can we expect to actively participate in any sort of conflict if that's the attitude we hold? The sad part is, it's the very same attitude we see in many of the 'patriot' and 'militia' movements of today. There is so much internal conflict in these groups and that is NOT conducive to getting their stuff together and mounting a coordinated effort under most circumstances.
Finally, what became of those that actually stood? As I've mentioned previously, they ultimately went quietly into the night. No fighting. No conflict. Quietly surrendered to the feds. Firearms confiscated. Preps confiscated. Lives destroyed. Families destroyed. Freedom & liberty destroyed.
The truth is, the feds are smart enough to know that they don't NEED to conduct mass confiscation. All they need to do is pin even the flimsiest crime on you, wait for the opportune moment while you are separated from your collection & preps, take you into custody and that's that. It's all over but the crying. The system is rigged this way, and has been for some time.
Ultimately, the fault lies within us. We have failed the Founders legacy. They fought back over much, much, much less. We have been more than willing to slowly give up more and more freedom, in the name of security, over decades time.
The time to fight back was long ago. I daresay, as the author of OP's article, that it is likely too late. The water is boiling. While America used to be a "melting pot", we are nothing more than a pot of frog soup today.
Dinner for 6 on a single ritz cracker- called an appeteazer!
A True Prepper doesn't 'bug out' if he hasn't already have a pre-planned place to go to that is already, at least partially equipped.
A True Prepper with no place to go will stay in location, 'bug in' which has been previously prepared, fortified, and defended with the intent to save themselves and their family.
I vaguely recall the Rod Serling, "Twilight Zone" about the family who had a nuclear defense shelter, and in time of crisis many in their neighborhood showed up.
“...the whole “the government holds all the cards, so surrender now and beat the rush” meme is pretty tiresome.”
It is pretty tiresome.
Visit any CWII thread on FR, and something like 30% of those commenting, will try to convince you that fedzilla is omnipotent, and can forcefully subdue 100,000,000 armed citizens.
That would be because they already have - Got a mortgage? Got rent? Got taxes due? Got car payments? Got credit card debt? Got insurance premiums? If you said yes to any of the above, the feds have already enslaved you.
So I have to wonder...are you engaged in PSYOP aimed at demoralizing potential future combatants or is it that you have just personally given up?
Lol. Neither, actually. I am, however, a realist. I prep. Given the opportunity, I would walk out my door and join the effort when called. I hold hope that some day I may be. But again, I'm a realist, who looks at things for the truth.
Quite a few years back, I read the book, "Unintended Consequences". An amazing read, should you get the chance. It discusses the Jews in Germany in the late 30's/early 40's. One statement was, "We said nothing, for to do so would mean grave things for us". This was the statement, of course, of a fictional character that had lived through the holocaust & spent time in a camp.
The same is happening with us. The time to fight was long ago, but we are comfortable. We like that $$$ that comes from working our jobs. It pays the mortgage. It pays for nice cars and toys and such. It pays the credit card bills and the insurance premiums and puts clothes on our kid's backs and keeps the wifey happy. In effect, we are properly enslaved by it, because to do anything about our current situation would put all of that in jeopardy.
I say we've failed the Founders because they had families, jobs, homes, buggies, horses, ranches, farms too. They were willing to give it all up in a heartbeat. We are not. We are complacent. We are slaves.
I hope you're not moving them by boat. As a charter member of the FR canoe club, I have a lot of personal experience in that area. I can tell you that your odds of making without capsizing are slim to none.
It is always too late to change the past. Given that obvious fact, the time to fight back is right now. We should be doing everything possible to ensure Trump wins our home states if they are in play, or that he wins any competitive neighboring states if our own state is a lock in either direction. We should be making sure that Team Trump knows what needs to be done to restore the Bill of Rights and sees those actions as top priorities. We should be taking as big a role as possible in public education to balance the shrill voices of the totalitarian socialists. That's all besides buying food, ammo, medicine, sanitation supplies, and the rest.
It's later than it should be, and we have not yet done anywhere near enough, but it is not yet too late.
You’ve convinced yourself that you can’t fight back. You’re already defeated, then.
Incorrect. I know full well I can fight back, and I may be called upon to do so someday. You clearly missed the entire point of my post.
I agree, 100%, and yes, we need to do everything possible to get Trump elected, and I have been and will continue doing my part. I would suggest, however, that getting Trump elected is far from the entire battle. Once elected, you know he will face obstruction from both the dummycrats AND the GOP. He very well may not get to do the things he wants, for that reason alone. And if not, what then? If Ryan and the turtle stand with the dummycrats, what then?
What I'm saying is that, while we are enslaved (and the feds have effectively enslaved us), the chances that we actually DO fight back are slim to none. We are comfortable with this life. We work. We pay bills. We buy toys. We drink beer while watching the "big game". We're satisfied with that. We like it. The moment we fight back, that all goes away. As such, we have been effectively enslaved.
I have to agree with your posts. I have felt that way myself many times. The complete frustration of trying to organize like minded people into action of even the smallest consequence is unbelievably difficult.
There is one thing that gives me hope though. It’s hard to put it into words accurately, but it’s an observation of people’s natural reaction to seeing a bully bleed. The courage you are searching for always shows itself in amazing ways in that very moment.
And if, on the off chance you are able to do so, then comes the paranoia of being invaded by the feds. Lol. The obstacles are many, and frightening, which is why most enjoy the status quo. Get up, go to work, get that paycheck, go home, pay the bills, watch the game. Rinse & repeat.
Then? Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. That means exactly what it says, and consent has been rapidly fading over these terrible years under the socialist. I hope the next step can be avoided and government will voluntarily return to its proper scope of responsibilities.
Ah, but we consent to the destruction of the 2nd Amendment every time we walk into a gun store and submit to an Un-Constitutional background check. We consent to a corrupt, crooked IRS every time we file our taxes. We consent to a crony financial system every time we spend or accept a Federal Reserve Note. So long as we continue to participate in the "System", and there is nothing to indicate we will NOT continue - we consent. In fact, I don't see "consent" going anywhere because, once again, the cost is just too high for most of us to take that risk.
You don’t need to organize people. All you do is draw attention to yourself.
You move to where the people are organized. You move to the place where you plan to bug out. The chances of you ever needing to bug out are almost nil unless you live in a place like New Orleans or Miami or LA.
A dozen terrorists could probably take out the California grid. That would be a really good time to leave California for a while.
“We consent to a crony financial system every time we spend or accept a Federal Reserve Note.”
We send your notes to me and I’ll take care of them
I understand the ‘complacency’ effect, and have argued it many times. Fact is, the pain will have to increase a few degrees before most folks are ready to grab the pitchforks and torches.
In this moment, millions of Americans are hurting just enough to vote like their lives depend on it. In my view, this election is our last best chance to restore some order in this country by peacefully working within the system.
If the elites refuse to allow us to change conditions within the civil mechanisms laid down by the Framers, they’ll leave the people with but one mechanism to resolve our national ailments.
What a douche.
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