Fact Check backfires on Hillary.

5/27/16 | DrDude

[DrDude]

I think the entire concept of Fact Checking is complete BS. It all comes down to who is accusing whom! I noticed two big anomilies last night. Trump was said to have been in favor of the Iraq War. L. Holt interrupted his refute and I believe he claimed Trump was not telling the truth. Holt should not have been the Fact Checker as the Dems had told us was going to happen. The only basis for this was Hillary said it was so. Doesn't one think Hillary would have a clip of Trump saying that if it were true? Trump said Hillary claimed NAFTA was "The Go;d Standard" by which trade deals are measured. Hillary denied the claim and Holt went to her defense. After the debate Lib commentary said this was true and gave the date she said "The Gold Standard". Apparently they researched as the debate was unfolding as they made this comment immediately after the debate ended. Expect Trump Ads showing Hillary lied at the debate. Will it happen?

[DrDude]

Hillary's talking points consisted of saying "the experts looked at the two positions and thought her plans were better". She never named the experts. This was her OPINION. In matters of financial interest she had no clue but those talking points.

[Steely Tom]

“Where’s the proof?” only works when it’s played by Democrats.

[castlegreyskull]

It is funny they think it is relevant on whether or not Trump supported the Iraq war when they have very little evidence, when Hillary made speeches and casted her vote in favor of the Iraq war. She also coordinated the disaster of the Libyan War, which was never voted on.

[originalbuckeye]

I am to the point that I suspect Holt may have been threatened if he didn’t protect Lyin’ Hillary. The Democrats demanded he ‘fact-check’ Trump.......the Republicans were silent. Two more of these biased debates to endure?? Luckily, Hillary is so plastic, even Holt couldn’t save her from herself.

[bgill]

"the experts looked at the two positions and thought her plans were better".

Yes, that was annoying.

[Coffee... Black... No Sugar]

With regard to “stamina”... HC said she had it because she could appear before Congress for 11-hours... Why, if someone were doing things correctly, would they need to spend 11-hours before congress...?

[Gil4]

I really wanted someone to fact-check the moderator on the opening question:

"There's been a record six straight years of job growth, and new census numbers show incomes have increased at a record rate after years of stagnation. However, income inequality remains significant, and nearly half of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck."

Are there any numbers to support that? Is six years of job growth some kind of record? Even if these are true, leading with these stats while not mentioning record low labor participation rates and widespread transition to part-time jobs is intentionally dishonest. (2 pt time jobs instead of 1 full-time, subsidized Obamacare instead of employee health care = more jobs, more income, but less total compensation and more gov't debt.)

[Ray76]

The job of the moderator is to maintain order and time, not to engage in any sort of contest with the candidates.

Lauer and Holt both contested the statements of one candidate: Trump.

[Political Junkie Too]

Clinton’s debate attack template is to find an isolated incident, describe it in negative terms, and then generalize it to paint Trump with a "broad brush" exaggeration. This could be easily fact-checked.

Here are two examples from last night:

Clinton said:

But, remember, Donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans, and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood that was the policy. He actually was sued twice by the Justice Department.

So he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior.

Trump responds:

Now, as far as the lawsuit, yes, when I was very young, I went into my father's company, had a real estate company in Brooklyn and Queens, and we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country -- it was a federal lawsuit -- were sued. We settled the suit with zero -- with no admission of guilt. It was very easy to do.

Clinton takes what looks like a wide-net federal lawsuit (not singling out only Trump) and was it to claim a "long record of engaging in racist behavior."

This should be fact-checked. Who else was included in the lawsuit? What triggered it? What was the final disposition?

Example 2:

Clinton said:

We've looked at your tax proposals. I don't see changes in the corporate tax rates or the kinds of proposals you're referring to that would cause the repatriation, bringing back of money that's stranded overseas. I happen to support that.

I happen to support that in a way that will actually work to our benefit. But when I look at what you have proposed, you have what is called now the Trump loophole, because it would so advantage you and the business you do. You've proposed an approach that has a...

Trump responds:

Who gave it that name? The first I've -- who gave it that name? How much? How much for my family? Lester, how much?

Clinton cross-talking:

...$4 billion tax benefit for your family... as I said, trumped-up trickle-down.

Here, Clinton makes up the phrase "Trump loophole" and claims it to be a common nickname like HillaryCare or ObamaCare, suggest it was so-named because Trump lobbied for the tax break.

This can be fact-checked. Who named it? Who else uses it? Why was it so named?

-PJ

[FenwickBabbitt]

I loved that Trump didn’t let Holt just get away with his pro-Hillary talking points, not just in regard to Iraq but also with Stop and Frisk, which the Supreme Court ruled decades ago is legal. The NY case was about how the law was applied, not whether it was Constitutional in general. Plus, as Trump explained they would probably have even won that one if DeBlasio hadn’t dropped the appeal. Holt was simply 100% wrong when he claimed Stop and Frisk was ruled unconstitutional, and Trump “fact checked” him on it.

[xzins]

See this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3473992/posts?page=25

[DrDude]

Sort of like Holt saying Hillary was a Policy Wonk. Suggest she is very detailed. How did that work out with the email Server Issue?

[DrDude]

Great post and directly on my point. All should read this post. Main point: Not only did Hillary lie directly to the American People but she actually wrote the “Gold Standard” line. It was not a news quote.

[trebb]

It is funny they think it is relevant on whether or not Trump supported the Iraq war when they have very little evidence, when Hillary made speeches and casted her vote in favor of the Iraq war. She also coordinated the disaster of the Libyan War, which was never voted on.

And ironic that they tried so hard to claim he was in favor of it in order to justify her stance.......

[castlegreyskull]

I was for the Iraq war. I thought it was justified. I thought it went well until Obama took the reigns.

[trebb]

I was unsure about it but supported our going in. I got disillusioned when the “shock and awe” brags turned out to be more “compassionate conservatism”. It was still salvageable until Obama opted to give it all away with interest.

[Sam Gamgee]

I noticed she could not bring herself to even discuss China. Are the Democrats so knee deep in China corruption they don’t even dare to talk badly of that country?

[Sam Gamgee]

Wow, I missed that. Did Americans believe their lying ears?

[thefixisin]

She was also for it before she was against it

[JimRed]

Even if these are true, leading with these stats while not mentioning record low labor participation rates and widespread transition to part-time jobs is intentionally dishonest.

Which is exactly what I was saying to the TV, quite loudly I might add...

Mrs. JimRed watched on the TV upstairs, I watched downstairs as I have the annoying habit of calling lies or halftruths as they happen, and she then claims she couldn't hear the next sentence whoever said.