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Democrats want to stop Trump's trans ban before it starts
Vox ^ | July 27, 2017 | Alex Ward

Posted on 07/27/2017 12:33:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A resistance is forming in Congress.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is working on legislation to block President Trump’s proposed ban on transgender people serving in the military, part of an effort to move fellow lawmakers from bashing the controversial White House announcement to actually trying to find concrete ways of reversing it.

“Our office is working on legislation to stop this from happening and on an amendment to the NDAA, but these are all long-term fixes,” Moran Banai, a senior adviser in the senator’s office, said in an email, referencing the large defense budget bill known as the National Defense Authorization Act. The email was obtained by Vox.

In the short term, Gillibrand is trying to get other senators to sign on to a letter asking Defense Secretary James Mattis to “advise the President against” choosing to put a trans military ban in place.

It also calls on Mattis not to kick any trans service member out of the armed forces until the Pentagon completes an ongoing internal assessment of what allowing transgender individuals to enlist in the armed services would do to the military’s readiness to fight and lethality when in the fight.

“Forcing these brave Americans out of our military would be cruel and discriminatory. It would harm our readiness by denying the military of these service members’ capabilities and requiring the military to replace them at a time when the recruiting pool for the services continues to shrink,” the draft reads

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) is also working on legislation to block the ban, the Washington Post reports. Yesterday, Booker told me there were “lots of discussions” happening among his colleagues about how to do it.

And Democrats aren’t alone in their opposition. Many Republicans in Congress, including Sens. John McCain and Orrin Hatch, are opposed to the ban. “There should be no discrimination,” Hatch told me today.

McCain, for his part, has said “any American who meets current medical and readiness standards should be allowed to continue serving.” Despite his opposition, it’s still unclear if McCain, who chairs the Armed Services Committee, will allow for an amendment that aims to block a ban on trans service members to get into the NDAA.

For now, Trump’s tweets are the administration’s only actual move to ban transgender troops. In a message to top military officers, Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the current policy — which allows trans troops to serve openly — won’t change unless and until the Pentagon gets actual orders from Trump.

“There will be no modifications to the current policy until the president's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued,” he wrote.

Gillibrand and her allies aren’t waiting for those orders to come.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: democrats; homosexualagenda; transgenders; trump
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To: fella

President Trump needs to start making like Obama, and ignore judicial rulings he doesn’t agree with.


21 posted on 07/27/2017 1:03:51 PM PDT by daler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guess they are looking to lose another 1000 seats nation wide!-)


22 posted on 07/27/2017 1:11:02 PM PDT by Harpotoo
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To: daler

AGREE 1000%


23 posted on 07/27/2017 1:12:16 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gillibrand is the “perfect” choice to lead this.

She is Chuck Schumer’s puppet in NY. She is the appointed woman Jr Senator here in NY State, so they give her the so-called feminist, gay, family, social issues (ie. the soft-emotive stuff). Chuck gets in front of the camera for the foreign policy, judiciary, Federal financial issues (ie. the hard-manly stuff)

So “is it a hill they want to die on?” NO - but Gillibrand doesn’t matter. Its liberal NY, and this is her role.


24 posted on 07/27/2017 1:13:40 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Jimmy The Snake

So you have no problem with your teenage daughter being FORCED to undress in the presence of a genetic male who “decides” that he is a “female”? Do you agree with the Charlotte NC editorial that stated that girls “just have to get over” their desire for privacy? This constitutes a body blow to traditional morality, and you sir are a fifth-column saboteur on this forum.


25 posted on 07/27/2017 1:13:55 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you have ADHD or a laundry list of other common medical conditions you are intelligible to enlist. Why should people who have a psychotic belief that they are a different sex be eligible?


26 posted on 07/27/2017 1:16:39 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder how many, well qualified, patriotic, heterosexual young men have elected to NOT consider joining the military over the years that 0bama endeavored to turn it into an asylum for nuts of all ilk. I have to believe that the new policy put forth by our POTUS will do nothing but HELP to recruit to our armed services.


27 posted on 07/27/2017 1:16:56 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Democrat Party, the party of all things depraved and disgusting...


28 posted on 07/27/2017 1:28:27 PM PDT by afsnco (18 of 20 in AF JAG)
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To: Junk Silver

The objective of the liberal Democrats all the time, has been to assure the US armed forces would be ineffectual when deployed. Simple as that.

First, the military is burdened with “rules of engagement” that all but assured a massacre, when the commander is REQUIRED to get authorization to proceed from a higher headquarters, that may or may not give the authority to proceed. And once the authorization comes down, there are rules about capture and holding of enemy combatants (can’t just kill them all when sweeping through a room or alley, some of them MIGHT be civilians, you know), and treating the captured combatants “courteously” right up until one detonates a bomb strapped on his body which could not be found because frisking was prohibited, because it was “invasive”.

Then demanding that some (actually a LOT) of unsuitable candidates for service be permitted to enlist, regardless of obvious indicators of unfitness, then further demanding the other marginally fit persons be enrolled for further training in programs that are WAY beyond their capabilities, as combat training for females or SEAL training for physical specimens that fail during the drills, but are kept on because there is a “quota” that has to be filled for “diversity”.

Then, when a battle IS won, the victory is just given away when the ground that has been gained is ordered to be vacated and the bloody hill that was won has to be given up, to “appease” the enemy. This happened a LOT in Korea and Viet Nam, and covered an entire country in Iraq and Afghanistan, as troops were withdrawn way too soon.


29 posted on 07/27/2017 1:36:11 PM PDT by alloysteel (The difference between Illinois and Venezuela, is that toilet tissue is still available in Illinois.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they don’t have 2/3 of BOTH houses, and can’t hold that 2/3 after veto, this is just posturing.

It’s what these guys do.


30 posted on 07/27/2017 1:39:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They can’t do squat.

Just pandering from Democrats in safe deep blue states.


31 posted on 07/27/2017 1:41:05 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: realcleanguy

Yup. The expression “having their panties in a bunch” is a double entendre.


32 posted on 07/27/2017 1:53:15 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: alloysteel

Sadly that means that Americans die as a result.


33 posted on 07/27/2017 1:54:26 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

34 posted on 07/27/2017 6:07:25 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Vic S
How many people does this affect? Maybe 50?
They probably get harassed so much they end up quitting anyway.

The number I heard was 6,000. Harassing is a career-ender.

35 posted on 07/27/2017 8:36:16 PM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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