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New Dove Season and New Dove Hunter in Yuma, Arizona
Gun Watch ^ | 6 September, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/06/2018 5:47:22 AM PDT by marktwain



Arizona dove season starts on 1 September. This year, 2018, I took a new dove hunter out on on opening day. My policy is to introduce new hunters to hunting as often as I have opportunities presented. Jesse had fired a few shots with a .22 rifle before; but had never fired a shotgun at a moving target. He had to learn nearly everything from scratch.

Jesse understood basic gun safety. I reinforced the four basic safety rules.  I told him while actually hunting for dove, to have his finger on the safety of the old Remington 20 gauge 870 he is holding. It may appear his finger is on the trigger, but it is not. It is on the safety, just behind the trigger on the 870 shotgun.

The pictures are posed. The shotguns were unloaded, as we had finished hunting.

Dove hunting is a good introduction to hunting for a new hunter. There are a lot of targets. Doves are not very sophisticated birds.  Minor mistakes can be made, and still have a successful hunt.

Dove hunting is an authentic hunting experience.

Hunting is a primordial experience that seems hardwired into our brain patterns. It can be explained to non-hunters, but it needs to be experienced to be understood. Explaining hunting to someone who has never hunted is like trying to explain hot showers to a person who never had running water.  They may understand the mechanics, but not the experience. The difference between merely walking through a wilderness area, and hunting in the same area, is profound. In one experience, you are merely observing nature. In the other, you are an active participant in the drama.

This year, there were plenty of doves. Jesse did well. He shot 10 doves the first day, the majority of which where white wing doves. It took him a while to learn to swing the shotgun, to follow through, and to get "on" a moving target quickly. He fired a lot of shots to harvest the 10 doves, but there were a lot of doves to shoot at.

With my guidance, he did not waste shells shooting at doves that were out of range. Determining range is an important skill for wing shooting. Jesse harvested birds with both the 870 and the Browning Double-Auto Twelvete. He favored the beat up 870.

I insisted we collect each downed dove before another shot was fired. Unless you have a good dog or another person who is willing to work specifically at retrieving the birds, they are easy to lose. Their coloration blends in well with the desert, and a winged bird will burrow into bushes and hide. It is best to collect them quickly.

Learning to mentally mark the location of downed birds was another skill I worked at transmitting to Jesse.

I always bring some snacks and cool drinks when dove hunting. I want to make a young hunter's first experience enjoyable and memorable.

After the days hunting, I taught Jesse how to clean the doves. He was fascinated by the internal mechanics of the dove's organs. I pointed out the crop, the heart, the lungs, and the gizzard.

These things were common knowledge two generations ago, when nearly everyone participated in butchering chickens for a family meal. Today they are esoteric knowledge for a young person.





On the second day of the hunt, Jesse and I only had two hours. I had a prior commitment to be part of the security team for the Vertical Church in Yuma.

Jesse's shooting had improved. He downed five doves, even though the shooting is alway slower on the second day. Many doves have already been harvested, and many survivors have learned caution. Only 35% of doves survive from year to year, whether they are hunted by humans or not.

Doves have many non-human predators. Birds are more subject to accident than humans. There are no warning labels or OHSA regulations in nature.  There are few multi-generational rules of thumb for birds. Weather and famine cause significant mortality. Doves have to eat between 12 and 20 percent of their body weight each day to survive.

Dove hunting is an important part of the Yuma economy. On a per pound basis, dove meat is very expensive. People travel hundreds of miles to participate in Yuma dove hunting.


As an older hunter, I find great satisfaction in mentoring young hunters. I benefited greatly from the mentoring of my father. I had the advantage of being able to step outside my door, and start hunting while growing up in northern Wisconsin. Most of today's young people do not have that advantage.

If you have the opportunity, take a young person hunting. The experience will broaden their horizons far beyond another video game.


©2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Society
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To: marktwain

We have never used our bird dogs for dove hunting, maybe that is why. I was thinking about trying it this year with my young shorthair but decided against it. Good thing too, had a group of guys come set up on our hole... probably would’ve gotten the dog shot if I did.

So you bring your dog dove hunting it sounds like, does he/she do well? Have you found it useful? Did he/she prevent any birds coming in due to being out an about?


21 posted on 09/06/2018 7:43:57 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: marktwain

“Three per dove is about my average.”

Over my lifetime that is probably my average as well. Somewhere around a box of shells per 10, give or take.

As I get older, and my eyesight diminishes, my average diminishes as well ha ha.


22 posted on 09/06/2018 7:45:54 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: marktwain

Just noticed your average is with a 20. I’d say that is very good, I run a 12ga o/u.

This years opener was pretty dismal. Not a lot of birds flying in Northern CA where I hunt, and tons of hunters.

We sit on water holes that contain mullen growing around them. But generally the birds are coming from the farming fields down in the valley and we get them when they are heading to water.


23 posted on 09/06/2018 7:49:31 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: marktwain

Just did the math and 10 birds for 25 shots is 40%. guess my math has gotten worse with age also haaha


24 posted on 09/06/2018 7:53:17 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: walkingdead
“As the national shot to bird ratio for dove hunters is said to be 8:1”

wow, I had no idea the average was that low, makes me feel a little better about myself.

This ratio is mostly due to the fact that a lot of shooters seem to have no idea of what a realistic range is for a shotgun with a given choke. I routinely see people blasting away at doves that are 75+ yards up/out, and my guess is they're doing it with improved cylinder chokes (not that a modified would help much either at that range).

25 posted on 09/06/2018 9:36:13 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: sodpoodle

Maybe Noah was also trying to ascertain if any dove hunters had managed to survive the flood.


26 posted on 09/06/2018 9:59:10 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ek_hornbeck

“seem to have no idea of what a realistic range is for a shotgun”

This ^^^^

I agree whole-heartedly. I watch others, and am convinced that my roughly 40% average is mostly due to me only taking shots that are well within range. It helps to have been loading your own shells when only single stages were available. You knew how much work went into that shell and did not ever want to throw it away needlessly.


27 posted on 09/06/2018 10:25:26 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: walkingdead

You get more shots in range if you do not sky-bust everything in sight.


28 posted on 09/06/2018 2:27:10 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: walkingdead
Wow, must be tough dove hunting with ear protection.

Looks like electronic ear protection. The "ears" mechanically muffle environmental sounds. The electronics pick up and amplify them, but cut out when something sudden and loud happens (like a gunshot). With the gain turned up, the shooter's hearing is actually better than without them.

29 posted on 09/06/2018 2:33:31 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: sodpoodle

I’ve read the Bible, and it has passages about sacrificing doves ... all of the animals specified for sacrifice in the Hebrew Law were food animals.


30 posted on 09/06/2018 2:38:23 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Stevenc131; sodpoodle

“Symbolically, the story of Noah’s dove tells us that God declared peace with mankind...”

I don’t know. I think it would be something to contemplate on and thank God for as one sets up in the quiet morning hours out in His Creation. God STILL provides doves (and other animals and fish) not only for our sustenance, but also for our recreation (re - Creation).

Something to think about too while you are giving thanks after you are able to shoot and retrieve a dove.


31 posted on 09/06/2018 2:40:33 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: NorthMountain

Yea that makes sense, tend to forget about all the new technology (new in relative terms)


32 posted on 09/06/2018 2:47:33 PM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: frogjerk
It is absolutely ridiculous that this statement had to be included in the article.

Based on past criticisms of the writer of this blog, that statement was indeed necessary. Your comment proves it.....So what was your purpose?

Sheesh!

33 posted on 09/06/2018 2:50:35 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I once found a needle in a haystack but it wasn't the one I was looking for...)
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To: walkingdead

Took me years to get with the times and buy some electronic muffs. Should have done it sooner ... One of the early brands was called “Wolf Ears”.


34 posted on 09/06/2018 2:51:15 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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