Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

ATF has a New “Straw Man”, the Unlicensed Gun Dealer
AmmoLand ^ | April 11, 2024 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/16/2024 5:34:24 AM PDT by marktwain

The Department of Justice has issued a press release showing that, over five years, from January 1, 2017, to December 31, 2021, the number of firearms sold by unlicensed dealers in the USA was less than 1 of 10,000 sold in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation’s adjusted calculations during the five-year period, the number of firearms sold through the NICS system was 14 million in 2017, 13.5 million in 2018, 13.6 million in 2019, 21.1 million in 2020, and 18.5 million in 2021, for a total of 80.7 million over five years.

The number of firearms sold by unlicensed dealers during the same five-year period was 68,388 firearms. They were uncovered in 3,403 cases. 68,388 may sound like a great deal, but it is less than 1 firearm for every 10,000 legally sold through the NICS system, or .084%.

The Justice Department prefers to use the term “trafficked.” It may be more correct because some of the firearms may be traded or gifted rather than sold. Of the 68,388 firearms “trafficked” by unlicensed dealers, there were 368 cases where the firearms were used in shootings. There were 265 cases where they were used in homicides. This is over the entire five-year period. The press release gives us cases, but a case might involve more than one or more firearms. It is not clear if a case would involve more than one homicide, but it is possible. The vast majority of the cases of unlicensed firearms dealing, 58%, involved a mean of 2.3 firearms, the number of firearms recovered ranging from one to five.

There is little to indicate the investigation of the unlicensed sales prevented any homicides or any violent crime.


(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...


TOPICS:
KEYWORDS: 2a; atf; banglist; crime; loophole; strawman
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-38 last
To: Verginius Rufus

Constitution Bump


21 posted on 04/16/2024 7:32:44 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

I remember before Dec 1968. Almost anyone could get a seller’s license and operate a kitchen table gun sales store.

Back then you could get a gun from a bookstore, pawn shop, hardware store, grocery store, liquor store, record shop, clothing store, gas station, saddle shop, Hat shops, feed store. private dealers in homes. They were for sale everywhere! Cash and carry. No background checks no waiting periods no ATF forms to fill out. Yet the crime rate was very low even though the news papers tried to make you believe it was high and all the problems were with Saturday Night Specials and Imported 5 shot bolt action army surplus rifles rifles.

In 1975, I had a co-wporker approach me as he knew I was interested in guns. He had a poorly printed “catalog” of guns for sale, all types from AR-15s to good quality S&Ws. Cash only. He would not say where the guns came from and I had a bad feeling not to get involved. He disappeared not long after.

Many were closed by Lyndon Johnson and the 1968 Gun Control Law, later Jimmy Carter caused more to be closed, same for Bill (slick Willie) Clinton, Obama went after the ammo to starve guns and their owners.


22 posted on 04/16/2024 7:42:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NorthMountain

My first question was, what is an unlicensed dealer? I came up with the same definition you did. Second question, how do they know an unlicensed dealer sold weapons? If I sell or give one to another, I am certainly not going to tell anyone.


23 posted on 04/16/2024 7:46:44 AM PDT by GMThrust
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: GMThrust

Some people, when selling a personally owned firearm to a stranger, will use an NICS check to ensure that they are not selling to a felon. The Virginia State Police often have a table at gun shows to facilitate this. I would not sell to a stranger.

If selling to a friend or relative ... I already know. And as for the po-po ... it’s none of their bloody business.


24 posted on 04/16/2024 7:54:00 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: LouAvul

Thanks. Things used to be simpler when i grew up. Now, I’m just a cranky anachronism.


25 posted on 04/16/2024 8:20:45 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Not wasted from their viewpoint. It creates a firearms owner registry. One of the primary goals of police state. Secondly it adds another layer of liability to gun ownership. All good things for aspiring tyrants. It’s all part of the loathsome 0bama’s fundamental transformation that is continuing unabated under the equally despicable Biden.


26 posted on 04/16/2024 8:51:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

You can use a service like this.
https://durysguns.com/sell-your-guns/


27 posted on 04/16/2024 9:19:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

Sell the lot of them to a FFL dealer. You won’t get the best price, but you will be done with them all at once.


28 posted on 04/16/2024 9:41:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - M. Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants

Thanks. It’s the safest and easiest. A person pays for convenience (especially nowadays).


29 posted on 04/16/2024 10:35:26 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

Lots of States allow private sales/gifting without involving others for background checks:

https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html


30 posted on 04/17/2024 3:48:38 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: trebb

Federal law trumps State law.


31 posted on 04/17/2024 7:14:30 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob
My kids have no interest in guns whatsoever. I suppose I could just die and let them do whatever with them.

I'd hang on to them. Times are heading down a bad road. If the bottom drops out, your kids might find a new interest in firearms.

32 posted on 04/17/2024 7:39:09 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TangoLimaSierra

That’s true. I think at this point the only one I’d get rid of is a very old antique 22 pump with octagonal barrel about 100 years old. I think they called it a gallery gun. I’ve never shot it. It was handed down to me from my father.


33 posted on 04/17/2024 7:48:17 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

They are specifically NOT supposed to be keeping track of who has what guns...

And here we are.

It is DECADES past due time to end the BATFE. Period. Full stop. Close it down and replace it with nothing.


34 posted on 04/17/2024 7:56:36 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

Federal law without explicit Constitutional authority to exist, and that actually violates the 2A’s express prohibition, doesn’t trump sh*t...


35 posted on 04/17/2024 7:57:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Dead Corpse
If that were true, we could have gun silencers without a license and $200 stamp and nevermind about bump stocks.
36 posted on 04/17/2024 8:22:51 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

Like we did BEFORE the Feds arbitrarily added them to the “destructive device” criteria...


37 posted on 04/17/2024 8:56:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: BipolarBob

I live in MS - until my State tells me I can’ sell a weapon without jumping through hoops, I’ll sell as I please.


38 posted on 04/18/2024 4:23:11 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-38 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson