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YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE …Is coming national ID 'mark of the beast'?
WND ^ | May 5 06 | Ron Strom

Posted on 05/05/2006 7:21:22 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: rattrap

If youy do not have a national ID then you are not here legally and thus should be detained for such time to establish that indeed you do not have one and are not here legally and then you shall be deported.


Sanctuary cities stop law enforcment from asking for proof of legal presence and some even go so far as to prohibit law enforcement from notifying ICE about a known illegal in current custody or temporary detention.

Outlaws would not have a national ID and would be detained...and prosecuted.

A national ID card would establish a CLEAR line between legal law abiding citizens and illegals. Thus removing that excuse NOT to enforce the law pertaining to illegal immigration.


261 posted on 05/05/2006 11:00:19 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: melancton

So then you are sying that when scotus makes a ruling they are changing the meaning of the constitution? CMON NOW

What they are doing is applying that to today's context.

You can live in a world where context ( in this case time) can be omitted, but I will not do so.


262 posted on 05/05/2006 11:01:34 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression

The utter "sovietness" of that post is absolutely disgusting.

Illegal aliens are already illegal, the national ID card does nothing to change that. The laws that are already on the books are not being enforced. If ICE wanted to go into these sanctuary cities and start arresting illegal aliens there is nothing stopping them from doing so. A national ID card is not going to make laws that are already not being enforced by choice start to be enforced.


263 posted on 05/05/2006 11:06:10 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: churchillbuff

I called UPS the other day to tell them I would come to their office and pick up my shipment. I was told to bring my "government issued I.D.". I said in a somewhat sarcastic tone "would my driver's license be sufficient?" Which they said would be fine.


264 posted on 05/05/2006 11:06:24 AM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Hambone02

Your right was not violated because you were not drafted.

So what are you complaining about again? Your own choice?

((((((Identification purposes alone are a fine use for an ID card. ))))))

I have been saying that al along and have been called a whole host of things for saying it, I am left wondering if you will be attacked the same way.......But my guess is you won't be because your nickname does not draw such kneejerk reactions ;)

In a time of war I have ZERO problem with tracking military movements and actions.

I do not advocate a policy of abuse with a Real ID. I do advocate a policy of indentifying true identity in order to hold people accountable for the actions they take under the rule of law. I believe that to be as patriotic as it gets and the very fabric of this nation.

If the government was to abuse such an entity then by all means I am all for prosecuting them for those actions. That fits with my position just fine. Criminal actions are criminal actions no matter who or what group of who's take those actions.


265 posted on 05/05/2006 11:07:01 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: rattrap

Yes they are already Illegal and a REAL ID proves it! Of course it doesn't change it.

I agree current laws are not being enforced and I give you two examples why.....lack of proper ID and means of gaining it....and states overstepping their constitutional suthority. Yet you disagree?????

A Real ID would remove the some of the main opposition to enforcing laws today.

EVER hear a guy named ASA say "we don't know where they are"?????? A Real ID would eliminate such foolishness....THEN we can work on the little phrase " just doing jobs Americans won't do"..... ;) and also then we can address anchor babies too.... OH WAIT....


NO Real ID when you come to deliver a baby....GUESS what....no citizenship and as soon as medically able..DEPROTATION.

You sir oppose a tool that will facilitate something you want. Amazing.


266 posted on 05/05/2006 11:11:07 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression

OK folks....fun debate and sparring today but I have to go now...ill check this thread for any responses later on.

Laters Freepers!


267 posted on 05/05/2006 11:12:17 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: churchillbuff

This is 652. The Beast lives seven doors down.


268 posted on 05/05/2006 11:13:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: churchillbuff
Is the national ID card the next step toward the imposition of the biblical "mark of the beast" Christians believe will be required to buy and sell during the Last Days?

Perhaps, it will prove to be the mark of sanity in the world we are now living in (but I sincerely doubt it...)!

269 posted on 05/05/2006 11:15:45 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: BlueStateDepression

A microchip in the back of everyones neck would make it even easier to enforce, no need to ask someone for their ID, just scan it from the UAV in that area.

I am against this "tool" because it's patently un-American, in fact it is exactly the same as the "tools" used by our enemies during the cold war.


270 posted on 05/05/2006 11:17:55 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: BlueStateDepression

I did not complain about my military ID, I was simply stating that the civilian population would not be to keen on this type of ID. This type of ID place on the civilian population would be a violation of their rights. The government has no right to track its citizens without just cause, for instance, if they are suspected of a crime. That is an individual issue. On a national level, they cannot generally make every citizen a suspect under the guise of security...


271 posted on 05/05/2006 11:25:31 AM PDT by Hambone02
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To: rattrap
Bright ideas like these always look good until extrapolated to its extreme, which is where it will eventually end.

On a separate issue...
The anti-smokers feel good about creating laws to regulate smokers into dark corners of society. It felt great until the next inevitable step was taken, they went to war on fatty foods and drinks as the next evil on the list. The next item after that will be alcohol, after that who knows.

Maybe we will get our government approved food and beverages in the mail from the government with a nourishment intake schedule and exercise regiment. Once a month you will be required to check in at your government run "Good Citizen Physical Fitness Center" where you will be given a physical and blood test for illegal substances.
272 posted on 05/05/2006 11:36:44 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (Free Republic - The pulse of conservative politics, without lame stream media filtration.)
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To: churchillbuff
Futile. In six month there will be places that will give you an ID identical to one legitimately issued, probably by those who make the real ones.

273 posted on 05/05/2006 11:57:09 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: BlueStateDepression

Why was the 4th Amendment created if we were not to have personal privacy?


274 posted on 05/05/2006 11:58:10 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: BlueStateDepression
When reliable ID is established there is no need to go any further with it.

It's is impossible to have a reliable ID. Try to come up with an idea for one.

However, if people believe that an ID is reliable, then it becomes much more profitable to produce fakes and copies.

Of course, having such ID's will make it much easier for reporters, divorce lawyers, and private eyes to check up on their subjects.

275 posted on 05/05/2006 12:36:22 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: BlueStateDepression
I oppose forcing the chip on people unless of course they are convicted felons.

Welcome to Future Felons of America by Claire Wolfe

(I wrote this as the introduction to Clive Sharp's book "How to Survive Federal Prison Camp" (Loompanics, 1997). This is its first appearance outside the book.) Welcome to FFA. No, not Future Farmers of America, that pleasant little relic of the days when America was the land of the free.

I'm talking about Future Felons of America, the club to which millions of us now belong. Our membership is growing by leaps, bounds and midnight kicks on our doors. You may not want to be part of this contemporary American FFA. (Who in their right mind would?) But it's best to face facts; in a country where would-be rulers, elected and unelected, are desperate to regulate every activity, we are all law breakers or soon to become so.

You and I, friends, are likely to end up in prison.

Worse, we're increasingly likely to end up in the custody of the federal prison system.

Activities that were once the business of the states-or nobody's business but your own-are being taken over by control freaks in Washington, DC whose favorite masturbatory fantasy is that they can micro-manage every human activity 24 hours a day and punish everyone who deviates from their desires.

That means your chances of going to federal prison-or a federal prison camp like the ones described in this book-are getting "better" every day.

Welcome to Future Felons of America by Claire Wolfe

276 posted on 05/05/2006 12:37:25 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: BlueStateDepression
A national ID card would establish a CLEAR line between legal law abiding citizens and illegals.

No. A national ID card would establish aline between those who possess cards and those who don't.

277 posted on 05/05/2006 12:39:12 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: BlueStateDepression; american spirit
WHy is it you wish to hide your ID? Scared of being held accountable for what you do?

Lookie here...a new variation of the "If you're not guilty, then you should have nothing to hide" canard.

I'm surprised the totaliatrians still use that one.

278 posted on 05/05/2006 12:49:53 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill

Just heard recently where "Better Red than Dead" Teddy Kennedy and a few of his friends from the ADL and homo lobby are trying to slip in S1145......which is a new hate crimes bill which I'm sure chocked full of lots of new and improved definitions of hate/thought crimes. I found some of this info on www.truthtellers.org (Rev. Ted Pike)........some of the info may make some folks in the "amen corner" a little testy but it is what it is.


279 posted on 05/05/2006 1:01:53 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: BlueStateDepression

THE SUPREME COURT AND OUR CONSTITUTION

The Constitution of the United States is a contract between the citizens of this country and their government. Like any contract, the terms within it are meant to be concrete and inflexible, unless the parties bound by its terms mutually agree to modify it at a later date. Nobody in their right mind would ever enter into a contract with another party if the terms of that agreement could be changed after the fact by a judge. The whole point of creating a contract is to show that there is a meeting of the minds between the parties who agree to abide by its terms, and whenever there is a dispute between those parties over some aspect of the contract once it's been entered into, a judge is charged with figuring out what the parties actually agreed to in the first place.

Initially the judge does this by reading the contract and considering the literal meaning of the words within it. If he should come across a passage that uses an ambiguous term like "excessive", he then must determine what the parties involved understood the term to mean when the contract was written. He can accomplish this task in several different ways, but what he should never do is simply make up a definition out of whole cloth. This, however, is exactly what activist judges do on a regular basis.

You see, ORIGINALIST judges attempt to figure out what the original intent of the people who created our most important contract was, so that the parties currently bound by it (aka the citizenry and the government) are dealt with fairly and reasonably. Activist judges, on the other hand, seek to change the terms of the original agreement and force upon everyone involved their own personal opinions of what that contract SHOULD say. This practice is grossly unfair, because it forces one of the parties to the contract (whichever one is ruled against at any given time) to accept terms that they did not agree to, and that is precisely why activists should never be allowed to preside over any court which deals with Constitutional issues.


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280 posted on 05/05/2006 1:37:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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