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A Mathematician's View of Evolution
The Mathematical Intelligencer ^ | Granville Sewell

Posted on 09/20/2006 9:51:34 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

A Mathematician's View of Evolution

Granville Sewell

Mathematics Dept.

University of Texas El Paso

The Mathematical Intelligencer 22, no. 4 (2000), pp5-7

Copyright held by Springer Verlag, NY, LLC

In 1996, Lehigh University biochemist Michael Behe published a book entitled "Darwin's Black Box" [Free Press], whose central theme is that every living cell is loaded with features and biochemical processes which are "irreducibly complex"--that is, they require the existence of numerous complex components, each essential for function. Thus, these features and processes cannot be explained by gradual Darwinian improvements, because until all the components are in place, these assemblages are completely useless, and thus provide no selective advantage. Behe spends over 100 pages describing some of these irreducibly complex biochemical systems in detail, then summarizes the results of an exhaustive search of the biochemical literature for Darwinian explanations. He concludes that while biochemistry texts often pay lip-service to the idea that natural selection of random mutations can explain everything in the cell, such claims are pure "bluster", because "there is no publication in the scientific literature that describes how molecular evolution of any real, complex, biochemical system either did occur or even might have occurred."

When Dr. Behe was at the University of Texas El Paso in May of 1997 to give an invited talk, I told him that I thought he would find more support for his ideas in mathematics, physics and computer science departments than in his own field. I know a good many mathematicians, physicists and computer scientists who, like me, are appalled that Darwin's explanation for the development of life is so widely accepted in the life sciences. Few of them ever speak out or write on this issue, however--perhaps because they feel the question is simply out of their domain. However, I believe there are two central arguments against Darwinism, and both seem to be most readily appreciated by those in the more mathematical sciences.

1. The cornerstone of Darwinism is the idea that major (complex) improvements can be built up through many minor improvements; that the new organs and new systems of organs which gave rise to new orders, classes and phyla developed gradually, through many very minor improvements. We should first note that the fossil record does not support this idea, for example, Harvard paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson ["The History of Life," in Volume I of "Evolution after Darwin," University of Chicago Press, 1960] writes:

"It is a feature of the known fossil record that most taxa appear abruptly. They are not, as a rule, led up to by a sequence of almost imperceptibly changing forerunners such as Darwin believed should be usual in evolution...This phenomenon becomes more universal and more intense as the hierarchy of categories is ascended. Gaps among known species are sporadic and often small. Gaps among known orders, classes and phyla are systematic and almost always large. These peculiarities of the record pose one of the most important theoretical problems in the whole history of life: Is the sudden appearance of higher categories a phenomenon of evolution or of the record only, due to sampling bias and other inadequacies?"

An April, 1982, Life Magazine article (excerpted from Francis Hitching's book, "The Neck of the Giraffe: Where Darwin Went Wrong") contains the following report:

"When you look for links between major groups of animals, they simply aren't there...'Instead of finding the gradual unfolding of life', writes David M. Raup, a curator of Chicago's Field Museum of Natural History, 'what geologists of Darwin's time and geologists of the present day actually find is a highly uneven or jerky record; that is, species appear in the fossil sequence very suddenly, show little or no change during their existence, then abruptly disappear.' These are not negligible gaps. They are periods, in all the major evolutionary transitions, when immense physiological changes had to take place."

Even among biologists, the idea that new organs, and thus higher categories, could develop gradually through tiny improvements has often been challenged. How could the "survival of the fittest" guide the development of new organs through their initial useless stages, during which they obviously present no selective advantage? (This is often referred to as the "problem of novelties".) Or guide the development of entire new systems, such as nervous, circulatory, digestive, respiratory and reproductive systems, which would require the simultaneous development of several new interdependent organs, none of which is useful, or provides any selective advantage, by itself? French biologist Jean Rostand, for example, wrote ["A Biologist's View," Wm. Heinemann Ltd. 1956]:

"It does not seem strictly impossible that mutations should have introduced into the animal kingdom the differences which exist between one species and the next...hence it is very tempting to lay also at their door the differences between classes, families and orders, and, in short, the whole of evolution. But it is obvious that such an extrapolation involves the gratuitous attribution to the mutations of the past of a magnitude and power of innovation much greater than is shown by those of today."

Behe's book is primarily a challenge to this cornerstone of Darwinism at the microscopic level. Although we may not be familiar with the complex biochemical systems discussed in this book, I believe mathematicians are well qualified to appreciate the general ideas involved. And although an analogy is only an analogy, perhaps the best way to understand Behe's argument is by comparing the development of the genetic code of life with the development of a computer program. Suppose an engineer attempts to design a structural analysis computer program, writing it in a machine language that is totally unknown to him. He simply types out random characters at his keyboard, and periodically runs tests on the program to recognize and select out chance improvements when they occur. The improvements are permanently incorporated into the program while the other changes are discarded. If our engineer continues this process of random changes and testing for a long enough time, could he eventually develop a sophisticated structural analysis program? (Of course, when intelligent humans decide what constitutes an "improvement", this is really artificial selection, so the analogy is far too generous.)

If a billion engineers were to type at the rate of one random character per second, there is virtually no chance that any one of them would, given the 4.5 billion year age of the Earth to work on it, accidentally duplicate a given 20-character improvement. Thus our engineer cannot count on making any major improvements through chance alone. But could he not perhaps make progress through the accumulation of very small improvements? The Darwinist would presumably say, yes, but to anyone who has had minimal programming experience this idea is equally implausible.

Major improvements to a computer program often require the addition or modification of hundreds of interdependent lines, no one of which makes any sense, or results in any improvement, when added by itself. Even the smallest improvements usually require adding several new lines. It is conceivable that a programmer unable to look ahead more than 5 or 6 characters at a time might be able to make some very slight improvements to a computer program, but it is inconceivable that he could design anything sophisticated without the ability to plan far ahead and to guide his changes toward that plan.

If archeologists of some future society were to unearth the many versions of my PDE solver, PDE2D , which I have produced over the last 20 years, they would certainly note a steady increase in complexity over time, and they would see many obvious similarities between each new version and the previous one. In the beginning it was only able to solve a single linear, steady-state, 2D equation in a polygonal region. Since then, PDE2D has developed many new abilities: it now solves nonlinear problems, time-dependent and eigenvalue problems, systems of simultaneous equations, and it now handles general curved 2D regions.

Over the years, many new types of graphical output capabilities have evolved, and in 1991 it developed an interactive preprocessor, and more recently PDE2D has adapted to 3D and 1D problems. An archeologist attempting to explain the evolution of this computer program in terms of many tiny improvements might be puzzled to find that each of these major advances (new classes or phyla??) appeared suddenly in new versions; for example, the ability to solve 3D problems first appeared in version 4.0. Less major improvements (new families or orders??) appeared suddenly in new subversions, for example, the ability to solve 3D problems with periodic boundary conditions first appeared in version 5.6. In fact, the record of PDE2D's development would be similar to the fossil record, with large gaps where major new features appeared, and smaller gaps where minor ones appeared. That is because the multitude of intermediate programs between versions or subversions which the archeologist might expect to find never existed, because-- for example--none of the changes I made for edition 4.0 made any sense, or provided PDE2D any advantage whatever in solving 3D problems (or anything else) until hundreds of lines had been added.

Whether at the microscopic or macroscopic level, major, complex, evolutionary advances, involving new features (as opposed to minor, quantitative changes such as an increase in the length of the giraffe's neck*, or the darkening of the wings of a moth, which clearly could occur gradually) also involve the addition of many interrelated and interdependent pieces. These complex advances, like those made to computer programs, are not always "irreducibly complex"--sometimes there are intermediate useful stages. But just as major improvements to a computer program cannot be made 5 or 6 characters at a time, certainly no major evolutionary advance is reducible to a chain of tiny improvements, each small enough to be bridged by a single random mutation.

2. The other point is very simple, but also seems to be appreciated only by more mathematically-oriented people. It is that to attribute the development of life on Earth to natural selection is to assign to it--and to it alone, of all known natural "forces"--the ability to violate the second law of thermodynamics and to cause order to arise from disorder. It is often argued that since the Earth is not a closed system--it receives energy from the Sun, for example-- the second law is not applicable in this case. It is true that order can increase locally, if the local increase is compensated by a decrease elsewhere, ie, an open system can be taken to a less probable state by importing order from outside. For example, we could transport a truckload of encyclopedias and computers to the moon, thereby increasing the order on the moon, without violating the second law. But the second law of thermodynamics--at least the underlying principle behind this law--simply says that natural forces do not cause extremely improbable things to happen**, and it is absurd to argue that because the Earth receives energy from the Sun, this principle was not violated here when the original rearrangement of atoms into encyclopedias and computers occurred.

The biologist studies the details of natural history, and when he looks at the similarities between two species of butterflies, he is understandably reluctant to attribute the small differences to the supernatural. But the mathematician or physicist is likely to take the broader view. I imagine visiting the Earth when it was young and returning now to find highways with automobiles on them, airports with jet airplanes, and tall buildings full of complicated equipment, such as televisions, telephones and computers. Then I imagine the construction of a gigantic computer model which starts with the initial conditions on Earth 4 billion years ago and tries to simulate the effects that the four known forces of physics (the gravitational, electromagnetic and strong and weak nuclear forces) would have on every atom and every subatomic particle on our planet (perhaps using random number generators to model quantum uncertainties!). If we ran such a simulation out to the present day, would it predict that the basic forces of Nature would reorganize the basic particles of Nature into libraries full of encyclopedias, science texts and novels, nuclear power plants, aircraft carriers with supersonic jets parked on deck, and computers connected to laser printers, CRTs and keyboards? If we graphically displayed the positions of the atoms at the end of the simulation, would we find that cars and trucks had formed, or that supercomputers had arisen? Certainly we would not, and I do not believe that adding sunlight to the model would help much. Clearly something extremely improbable has happened here on our planet, with the origin and development of life, and especially with the development of human consciousness and creativity.

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footnotes

*Ironically, W.E.Loennig's article "The Evolution of the Long-necked Giraffe," has since convinced me that even this feature could not, and did not, arise gradually.

**An unfortunate choice of words, for which I was severely chastised. I should have said, the underlying principle behind the second law is that natural forces do not do macroscopically describable things which are extremely improbable from the microscopic point of view. See "A Second Look at the Second Law," for a more thorough treatment of this point.

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Granville Sewell completed his PhD at Purdue University. He has subsequently been employed by (in chronological order) Universidad Simon Bolivar (Caracas), Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Purdue University, IMSL (Houston), The University of Texas Center for High Performance Computing (Austin), and the University of Texas El Paso; he spent Fall 1999 at Universidad Nacional de Tucuman in Argentina on a Fulbright grant. He has written three books on numerical analysis.


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To: Last Visible Dog
Random - proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

So if Natural Selection is not random, as you claim, what is the aim, reason, or pattern of Natural Selection?


The pattern is in the ratio of surviving alelles versus alelles that do not survive.
201 posted on 09/21/2006 4:47:12 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: FreedomProtector
Spontaneous generation is thus essential for the evolutionist.

This is false.

I submit five hypothesis regarding the origin of the first life forms.

a) Natural processes occuring entirely upon earth resulted in chains of self-replicating molecular strands that eventually became the first life forms.

b) Aliens from another planet and/or dimension travelled to this planet and -- deliberately or accidentally -- seeded the planet with the first life forms.

c) In the future, humans will develop a means to travel back in time. They will use this technology to plant the first life forms in Earth's past, making the existence of life a causality loop.

d) A divine agent of unspecified nature zap-poofed the first life forms into existence.

e) Any method other than the four described above led to the existence of the first life forms.

If, as you claim, spontaneous generation is "vital" to the theory of evolution then only the first of the above hypothesis can be true for common descent to have occured. Please explain why any two of the other options would prevent common descent from occuring.
202 posted on 09/21/2006 4:55:24 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: BlackElk

You appear to be confusing acceptance of the theory of evolution with atheism. You are incorrect in that equivocation. You also seem to believe that asserting that the theory of evolution is false demonstrates that the theory of evolution is false. You are also incorrect in that assumption.


203 posted on 09/21/2006 4:59:18 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: FreedomProtector
If the brain has been programmed only by chance, by random nature, why trust it?

Composition fallacy.
204 posted on 09/21/2006 5:00:12 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: BlackElk
... demolishes the Darwinian fantasy and pretenses quite effectively but has an economy of prose which I find hard to match.

Thank you, BlackElk - that made my day!

New pictures of Vlad on my profile page :-).

205 posted on 09/21/2006 5:16:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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To: Tax-chick; BlackElk
Thank you, BlackElk - that made my day!

How does a reference to a book written by a woman who makes a large number of incorrect claims on the theory of evolution "make your day"?
206 posted on 09/21/2006 5:18:04 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio; BlackElk

You're on my blackout list, but I will respond simply to clarify your misunderstanding of my post.

What "made my day," was BlackElk's reference to Ann Coulter's "economy of prose," in contrast to his own vivid verbosity. I was not, in this case, expressing an opinion on Ms. Coulter's book.


207 posted on 09/21/2006 5:21:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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To: YHAOS
Marx, Engels, Hitler, Ugo Chavez, Mao Tse-Tung, Danny Ortega, Margaret Sanger, and (with a certain sense of imminent discovery) Fidel Castro, would certainly agree or have agreed with you. Just because they or their ideas were guilty of mass murder of the innocent, among a near infinity of either things, why should THEY suffer eternally.

A firm belief in God and submission to Him: Don't leave earth without it!

208 posted on 09/21/2006 5:45:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Dimensio; Tax-chick
Dichotomy: Dimensio's childlike faith in Darwinian fable

............................OR............................... Ann Coulter's mature belief in God as the uncaused cause (particularly coupled with the belief structure of Aquinas's Summa Theologica)????

Hmmmm?????? I'm going with Annie and God and Aquinas. Dimensio has Darwin and is welcome to him.

My ancestors were exclusively human. I gotta believe that Tax-chick's were all human too. Likewise Annie's.

Dimensio: There are some nice trees out back to play in. Have a few bananas but try not to scratch your ribs in public.

209 posted on 09/21/2006 5:55:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Dimensio
a) Natural processes occurring entirely upon earth resulted in chains of self-replicating molecular strands that eventually became the first life forms.

This sounds exactly like Carl Sagan or Issac Asimov describing the myth of spontaneous generation.

b) Aliens from another planet and/or dimension travelled to this planet and -- deliberately or accidentally -- seeded the planet with the first life forms.

This sounds like Fred Hoyle. Where did the aliens come from? Did the aliens spontaneously generate?


c) In the future, humans will develop a means to travel back in time. They will use this technology to plant the first life forms in Earth's past, making the existence of life a causality loop.

What started the causality loop? Did the starter of the loop spontaneously generate?

d) A divine agent of unspecified nature zap-poofed the first life forms into existence.

Isn't a divine agent the same as an intelligent designer?

e) Any method other than the four described above led to the existence of the first life forms.

??? is this a fifth or just BS
210 posted on 09/21/2006 6:02:22 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: BlackElk
Dichotomy: Dimensio's childlike faith in Darwinian fable

Please demonstrate that the theory of evolution is a "fable" and that my acceptance of the theory as valid science is "childlike".

............................OR............................... Ann Coulter's mature belief in God as the uncaused cause (particularly coupled with the belief structure of Aquinas's Summa Theologica)????

This has no relevance to the theory of evolution. Your "dichotomy" is meaningless and false.

My ancestors were exclusively human. I gotta believe that Tax-chick's were all human too. Likewise Annie's.

Please provide evidence to support this claim.

Dimensio: There are some nice trees out back to play in. Have a few bananas but try not to scratch your ribs in public.

Insulting me demonstrates neither that you are correct nor that the theory of evolution is false.
211 posted on 09/21/2006 6:03:42 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: FreedomProtector
This sounds exactly like Carl Sagan or Issac Asimov describing the myth of spontaneous generation.

Please demonstrate that this is a myth.

This sounds like Fred Hoyle. Where did the aliens come from? Did the aliens spontaneously generate?

Explain how the origin of the hypothetical aliens is relevant to the process of evolution.

What started the causality loop? Did the starter of the loop spontaneously generate?

A causality loop has no "start". It is not "created", it is a self-sustaining event.

Isn't a divine agent the same as an intelligent designer?

No. An intelligent designer is an entinty -- not necessarily divine -- that intervenes in the process of evolution to "design" physical features that are allegedly not possible to emerge through mutation. I suggested no such action by the hypothetical divine agent.

??? is this a fifth or just BS

It is a catch-all for any hypothetical explanations that I have not included.

Why did you not explain why evolution cannot occur if any of the hypothetical events other than the first listed are true?
212 posted on 09/21/2006 6:11:15 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: BlackElk

A firm belief in God and submission to Him: Don't leave earth without it!

Just make sure you pick the right one, the right channeler of whatever he tried to tell us all, and the right translations and interpretations of it. Think of what's at stake and what will happen if you make a mistake. And be advised, mistake are no excuse.

213 posted on 09/21/2006 6:58:21 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ml1954
Not only have I chosen the right One, I have chosen the ONLY One. As to your other concerns, I am covered there also as a Roman Catholic. Thanks for asking!

I do thank God that my imagination has never been so limited as to choose Darwinian anything over God.

214 posted on 09/21/2006 7:26:42 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Not only have I chosen the right One, I have chosen the ONLY One.

Please demonstrate that your choice is the correct one.

As to your other concerns, I am covered there also as a Roman Catholic. Thanks for asking!

Curious. Are you aware that the Roman Catholic Church does not consider the theory of evolution to be contradictory to Catholic faith?

I do thank God that my imagination has never been so limited as to choose Darwinian anything over God.

Why do you believe that this is a dichotomy of one or the other? Many Catholics believe in God and also accept evolution as valid science.
215 posted on 09/21/2006 7:32:27 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio; Tax-chick; sittnick; ninenot; bornacatholic
Don't you swing in tree branches, munch bananas and scratch your ribs??? Was I wrong in conceding to you arguendo that you were probably right in feeling that you personally were descended from apes or chimpanzees or whatever and, of course, missing links (Is that which is nonexistent describable as "missing links") ????

You seem to imagine that the pseudoscientific speculations of a third-rate failed Anglican theology dilletante, crammed down the unsuspecting throats of the intellectually hapless victims of gummint skewels is somehow the standard and that the central beliefs of Western Civilization are a deviation which must prove anything whatsoever in response to faux intellectual heathenism. Aquinas or Darwin???? Aquinas.

We are all familiar with Annie's photos which resemble neither those of chimpanzees nor those of apes. Tax-chick's kids' pictures are on her homepage. My pictures are nunya bidness but sittnick can confirm that I am exclusively human.

You may be right as to childlike. Belief in the ongoing Darwinian fraud is much worse than childlike. My apologies to children. Substitute "gullible."

You may not have noticed but your opinion, as a professed simian, of the truth or falsity of Roman Catholicism is not of, well, critical importance. If you believe that you are descended from monkeys, apes, or chimpanzees and worship Darwin, the great "god" of pseudoscience, why do you expect to be taken seriously?

What on God's green Earth has this middlebrow lowlife sideshow carny Darwin got to do with conservatism???? This IS a conservative website, dontcha know?

There is absolutely no reason to take Darwin seriously. He is dead proof that affluent birth and genius are clean different things. Why do you fantasize that anyone has an obligation to satisfy Darwin's sycophants and gulls with demonstrations of anything. As a Darwinian mind slave, do you really suppose that you are entitled to be taken seriously???

BTW, if the answer is Darwin's Theory of Evolution or Darwin's Greatest Show on Earth or whatever, it was probably an exceptionally silly question.

216 posted on 09/21/2006 8:22:33 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
There is absolutely no reason to take Darwin seriously.

Not too up on the accomplishments of modern biological science, are ya?

217 posted on 09/21/2006 8:33:02 PM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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To: Dimensio
Many Catholic parents are foolish enough and negligent enough to expose their children to Darwinian BS at gummint skewels or other synthetic educational institutions.

God COULD have designed evolution as Darwin fantasized it. God COULD have made the moon of green cheese. God COULD have made objects fall up. God COULD have run time backward. But in all those cases He did not. That God COULD have done something (since He is omnipotent) does not demonstrate that He did whatever. The immortal soul did not evolve.

There are Catholics who would like to compromise with enemies of Catholicism. (Think of Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn as alleged spokesmen for Jews or Garry Wills as a pseudo-Catholic quisling compromising Catholicism wherever possible as he genuflects before the false gods of modernism). From time to time it has even been a tactic.

If you fantasize that a Catholic has, somehow, the obligation to prove that the One True God is the One True God, you can imagine the low regard I have for your other speculations on Catholicism. If you REALLY want scholarly explanations, I have already referenced Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas. If you want your Darwin subjected to a verbal daisycutter see Coulter's Godless.

Darwinian euphoria is the notion that somehow we all emerged from the primordial soup, that a non-existent God was irrelevant to the process (come, come, Catfish, you don't think that Darwin is defended in a vacuum, do you? The enthusiasm stems from the idiot savant belief that evolution disproves God and is therefore a Promethean gift freeing man fron enslavement to mere reality.) If evolution disproves God, voila!!!! Kill whom you will and mistreat the rest all in the name of the "greatest good for the greatest number."

There are probably curial cardinals who do not believe in God. Don't mistake them for the Church itself much less than for the Teaching Magisterium. If you want to know what the Church teaches, read Pope St. Pius X's 1907 encyclical Pascendi Domenici Gregis and its accompanying Syllabus of Errors: Lamentabile Sane which is, ummmm, not very respectful of Darwin.

218 posted on 09/21/2006 8:58:19 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Quark2005
Read Godless by Coulter or Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas and get back to me.

Principles:

1. Do not worship science. Worship God.

2. If you think that "modern biological science" is right and God is wrong, go back to Principle #1.

219 posted on 09/21/2006 9:03:50 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Please justify your claim that the theory of evolution is "BS". Asserting that the theory is false does not actually demonstrate that the theory is false.

If you want your Darwin subjected to a verbal daisycutter see Coulter's Godless.

You are incorrect if you believe that Coulter's demonstratably false claims in any way show that the theory of evolution is false.
220 posted on 09/21/2006 9:13:07 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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