To: VadeRetro
You would seem to be confused between the hawk's behavior exhibiting a pattern and the hawk knowing something about natural selection. The hawk can preferentially kill animals which are the most easy to detect without knowing or caring that his behavior matches part of a certain scientific theory widely discussed among humans. Exactly - no pattern - just random. Natural Selection is not driving the hawk therefore Natural Selection is an observation of many points of data, not a force or structure. Natural Selection only exists in our minds.
This is the core philosophy of Evolution - the something from nothing model - a philosophy that believes extreme complexity, pattern, and design can spring forth from the complete absense of complexity, pattern, or design.
IF you think Natural Selection follows a pattern - state the pattern - although I am not too optimistic you will actually try.
To: Last Visible Dog
Exactly - no pattern - just random. Natural Selection is not driving the hawk therefore Natural Selection is an observation of many points of data, not a force or structure. Natural Selection only exists in our minds. The hawk will kill the easiest prey. The prey will develop instinctive counters to the hawk's attempts. When the prey cannot adapt, it and its line will cease to exist. If the hawk cannot adapt to the change, the hawk's line will cease to exist.
The pattern makes itself clear.
That you cannot see it is of no concern to the hawk, the prey, or the educated.
582 posted on
09/26/2006 9:24:28 PM PDT by
freedumb2003
("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
To: Last Visible Dog
Exactly - no pattern - just random. Nope. Any predator exerts selection pressure on a prey population. It's definitely non-random. Predators always take the easy meal rather than risk going hungry. The pressure on the prey population is to not be the easy meal. There's a competition to be better at hiding, running, or otherwise evading. Losing is death. The winners dominate the gene pool.
607 posted on
09/27/2006 6:20:58 AM PDT by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Last Visible Dog
Natural Selection is not driving the hawk therefore Natural Selection is an observation of many points of data, not a force or structure.
Natural selection is the end-result of the actions of the hawk. You are asserting that a pattern requires a deliberate process. You are simply wrong.
Natural selection is not 'an observation of many points of data'. Natural selection would occur even with no individuals observing and recording the events.
IF you think Natural Selection follows a pattern - state the pattern - although I am not too optimistic you will actually try.
The pattern has been stated. You have attempted to dismiss the stated pattern by claiming that the pattern was not the result of deliberate action to fit a pattern. There is no basis for your restriction, however, so your dismissal is faulty.
610 posted on
09/27/2006 7:20:53 AM PDT by
Dimensio
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