Posted on 10/10/2006 9:45:12 AM PDT by white trash redneck
Geeeze...reading a book doesn't give you the place to say silly ass stupid things and expect any credibility.
Using contraception is NOT in essence the same as converting to Islam.
Your so called logic isn't valid.
So to you a young couple not ready for children are ceding the world to Islam?
Or a couple trying to plan and space their children are ceding the world to Islam?
Or an older couple no longer wanting to raise children ceding the world to Islam?
Or women who risk health consequences from pregnancy and use birth control are ceding the world to Islam?
And anyone who isn't married and doesn't want children are ceding the world to Islam?
With enough of these 'exceptions' to your rule, the rule no longer rules.
Had to be said...
Nor do I.
However, I am not ashamed of my culture, my beliefs and my way of life and I think it is a positive affirmation of that culture, those beliefs and that way of life to propagate it physically.
Did you read that part of your own post?
Europe is being overtaken by Muslims because Europeans are no longer producing enough children to sustain their population.
How about that part?
If you wanted to argue that a European who has a vasectomy is ceding the long term future of his continent to the moslems, I suppose you would at least have the basis of an argument. It's a twisting of Steyn's argument, but at least the germ is there. Though from the perspective of that individual, his personal decision to have a vasectomy won't make any difference at all.
But with respect to this country, you can't even make that argument, because was are not drowning in a sea of hyper-fertile moslems. It's the other continent that's got that problem.
Yes, that's a bit cold blooded. And it's unlikely that the children would grow up sane. Still, the numbers don't lie. People are born, people die. If on the average, as an aggregate population, they don't procreat enough to at least replace themselves before they die, their civilisation will vanish.
That doesn't mean individuals should be compelled by force to reproduce, nor does it mean that every fertile individual who declines to reproduce is evil. It's just a statement of fact. If the "average person" in a particular civilisation is not replacing himself, that civilisation is doomed and will be replaced by another civilisation in which the "average person" does bother to replace himself.
To have a child for the wrong reason is cruel--- whether to be a field hand, to be an 'heir' to your name or to outnumber your enemy. The kid knows it....
Again, I agree ... but that's kind of beside the point. Again, if a whole generation or two is, on the average, as an aggregate "bad parent" material (or perceives itself as such) and doesn't reproduce, it will disappear and be replaced.
As a matter of personal opinion, I think there are a great many people in the West who have declined to have children who would be far better parents than they give themselves credit for. I further am convinced that the separation of the two purposes of sexual intercourse (union and procreation) in Western popular culture is largely a cause of folks declining to have children. Hence, my tagline.
[Mr Blackitt making fun of the Catholics across the street and lecturing his wife about Protestantism.]
Well, yes. But humans are about the only creatures that have sex when the female is not fertile. Thus, however that came about, sex must fulfill some other role in humans. One role is to help keep parents together, so as to better provide for and raise the offspring, which are more helpless and take longer to mature than those of most other species. Although many birds mate for life without the extra sex, so there may be still more to it for humans.
Are you telling us that you only have had sex for reproduction and intentional attempts at reproduction?
No, I didn't think so.
You are evading the issue, which is that cultural replacement and biological replacement are separate phenomena.
Uh, That doesn't make up for that fantastic cold chicken or Chinese food in bed afterward though. :-)
I think that one of our great advances is that people now can honestly say "I won't be a parent...I may beat my child to death". Instead of the old world attitude of "It's my duty to have kids, no matter how crazy or evil I am".
Granted, I have a darker view of life and the world. I also know that most predictions I hear and read rarely come to fruition. :)
Just because they're birthin' like bunnies doesn't mean that all their rabbits ain't crazy.
I am evading nothing.
"Allison. My cousin had a friend who went out with a virgin. And after six months they got married. On their wedding night when the man wanted to consumate the marriage, the woman wouldn't let him. The next morning they found him dead. In the bed. Allison, I don't want to die". -Julio, in the Rodney Dangerfield film, "Easy Money"
My claim is not based on my erudition but on empirically observable facts. I referred readers of this thread to Steyn because, being a gifted writer, he makes the same empirical argument far more lyrically and enjoyably than I can.
Using contraception is NOT in essence the same as converting to Islam.
I didn't say that it was essentially no different. I said it was practically no different.
Jumping off a 30 story building intentionally and accidentally falling off a 30 story building are essentially two different actions, but they have the same practical consequence.
Your so called logic isn't valid.
Oh, but it is, as I've explained.
So to you a young couple not ready for children are ceding the world to Islam?
A statement I never made.
Or a couple trying to plan and space their children are ceding the world to Islam?
Another statement I never made.
Or an older couple no longer wanting to raise children ceding the world to Islam?
Another statement I never made.
Or women who risk health consequences from pregnancy and use birth control are ceding the world to Islam?
Another statement I never made.
And anyone who isn't married and doesn't want children are ceding the world to Islam?
Yet a fifth statement I never made.
With enough of these 'exceptions' to your rule, the rule no longer rules.
The issue is people who pathologically prefer creature comforts to having families.
And the consequences thereof.
Hedonism based study.
The study seems to be based on the ASSUMPTION that feeling good the reward for sex. NOT that procreation is the reward for sex.
Just as leftists want to eliminate children from marriage law, so it seems this study wants to remove continuation of genes from evolution.
All the health benefits mention are to keeping the mother and father alive to ensure they produce more offspring.
Of course there is, but quality is a heck of force multiplier too. So you can't just compare raw numbers.
Still failing to keep up at least replacement rates is an eventual losing matter.
I can give you 9 reasons. I'll bet this silly twit can't even give one.
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