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Good luck, Taiwan. You'll need it.
11/8/2006 | Neville72

Posted on 11/08/2006 2:32:41 PM PST by Neville72

President Bush should have the leaders of Taiwan on the phone today informing them that if China decides to move on them, they're on their own. Good luck, it was nice knowin' ya.

Before today I believed a majority of Americans had the intestinal fortitude to see the fight for a future free from Islamic fascism through to the end. I believed we had learned from the past that we won't lose on the battlefield, we'll only lose the fight at home and we, enough of us anyway, surely won't let that happen again.

That was utterly pollyanish and wishful thinking. Our inevitable redeployment(i.e.retreat) from Iraq will send shockwaves around the world. The Muzzies will be dancing in the streets(umm, they already are) and congratulating Osama for his prescience in concluding that America has no stomach for a long fight and our allies or potential ones will always know that America is a reliable partner only if the work is quick and painless.

Ironically, I just finished reading Flags of Our Fathers which recounts the lives and actions of the six Americans who raised the flag on Mt. Suribachi and their brethern Marines who weathered the toughest 30 days of fighting in modern American warfare---7,000 dead and 26,000 casualties. And that came at the end of 4 years that saw 300,000 deaths and almost 700,000 wounded. Yet those Americans, that America, took body blow after body blow, kept getting off the mat and defeated not one but two existential threats to our way of life.

As I have posted before, I feared that that America is merely a distant memory and doesn't exist anymore--at least in sufficient quantity to make a difference. That fear was played out last night in umambiguous terms. We just gave the Jihadists the green light to come after us at their leisure. We'll bluster, threaten and bellow and talk a good game but when the going gets tough or long, we'll fold our tents and go home.

I fear for my children and their children today.

I fear for my country.


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1 posted on 11/08/2006 2:32:43 PM PST by Neville72
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To: Neville72

Bump for your fears; I share them.


2 posted on 11/08/2006 2:33:24 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin; Neville72

Me three, and well said Neville!


3 posted on 11/08/2006 2:34:53 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: jocon307

Not going to happen until after the Olympics are held in China.

At that point....


4 posted on 11/08/2006 2:36:25 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The voting machines aren't broken. The Dems operating the voting machines are broken.)
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To: Neville72

BTTT.


5 posted on 11/08/2006 2:37:45 PM PST by twntaipan (Mad about new taxes coming your way from the dhimmicrats in Congress? Thank your local libertarian.)
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To: Neville72

I share your fears, Neville72. BTTT


6 posted on 11/08/2006 2:38:26 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Neville72

Listening to Mr. Bush in his press conference today I'd say his scrotum has shrunk considerably.
Can I kiss your ass Ms. Pelosi?


7 posted on 11/08/2006 2:43:12 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Neville72

We are Europe. We have lost our instinct for survival


8 posted on 11/08/2006 2:45:24 PM PST by mjp
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To: Neville72

Add Israel to the list!


9 posted on 11/08/2006 2:45:49 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Neville72
Unfortunately, your observations are directly on target, and they echo thoughts that I myself had earlier today. This election has provided the template for any tyrant, any wanna-be tyrant, and every jihadi on how to defeat the United States in any conflict. All that they need to do is to join forces with America-haters in the Democrat party and the media (is there any difference?), and keep up the drumbeat of propaganda, and the corrosive fifth column will do the heavy lifting for them.

China's leadership certainly understands this well. Putin's cronies have undoubtedly taken notice. France's backstabbing class sees it as well. And the Iranian nutjobs, Venezuelan idiots, Al Quaeda murderers, Palestinian murderers, Baathists, and other assorted thugs see it clearly, too. They have plans that will unfold over time. The lives of their subjects are cheap, and their ambitions are unlimited. They have little to worry about - after all, who is going to stop them now?

10 posted on 11/08/2006 2:48:22 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: Neville72

Tawain would be far safer if the Republican Congress had not used Chinese funded debt to massively expand the size and scope of the Federal Government.


11 posted on 11/08/2006 2:50:26 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Neville72
"The Greatest Generation" of Americans gave birth to The Worst Generation: That is we boomers; self-indulgent, childish, effeminate and narcissistic. Time for the few men of the Worst Generation to hide your guns: You're going to need them one day.

I'm not going to be afraid. But I'm not going to live in a major US city (make that target) either.
12 posted on 11/08/2006 2:51:00 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Neville72

We just moved one step towards the dark ages today. How bad will it have to be before we take these jihadists seriously?


13 posted on 11/08/2006 2:52:36 PM PST by Silly
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To: Zeppo

I think the message has been sent. What could have been solved conventionally will now go nuclear. The ignorance of the citizenry has now ushered in the Biblical holocaust predicted centuries ago. A godless society cannot elect good men to office. Iran is free to take the middle east on their own timetable. Israel will have to thaw out their nuclear weaponry.


14 posted on 11/08/2006 2:52:49 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Neville72

C'mon. Colin Powell already announced to Taiwan that
it was owned by China, in October of 2004. Fistfights broke
out in the Taiwanese legislature over the matter, and we
nearly lost a big arms sale of jets over it. It has nothing
to do with the Democrats.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136711,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1564-2004Oct27.html


15 posted on 11/08/2006 2:53:44 PM PST by prodigals son
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To: Neville72
Good luck Iraq, good luck S. Korea...... The Dems will "have" to show that they are different. They will make an effort to demonstrate that they made a change somewhere. The hard nose methods that are "necessary" with nations like Iran or N. Korea will fail with them sharing power. For our nations security this is a disaster.
16 posted on 11/08/2006 2:55:52 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Neville72

It's times like this that I thank God that I am not prone to depression.


17 posted on 11/08/2006 2:58:42 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: prodigals son

Colin was fired, remember? He just couldn't understand he had a boss.


18 posted on 11/08/2006 3:01:54 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Neville72

China will annex Taiwan later or sooner. The Guomintang supports it. In the real world, the U.S. is not going to fight a country with 1.4 billion people and 200 nuclear warheads to prevent it.


19 posted on 11/08/2006 3:02:33 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: crazyhorse691
The worst of it is that the Dixie Tricks are doing a concert later this week in Portland and I can just picture the bleached blond blimpo bimbo Natalie braying about how good this will be for the world blah,blah,blah.
20 posted on 11/08/2006 3:03:37 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: All
Let's just all kill ourselves so we don't have to worry about it.

The negativity on this forum is sickening.

21 posted on 11/08/2006 3:03:47 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just one day without polls would be nice.)
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To: Neville72

Unless the conservatives present the new American, unafraid firebrand, unapologetic, bold guy, the people who have depended on us are toast. Live with it , it is reality.


22 posted on 11/08/2006 3:07:26 PM PST by dforest (be careful you don't become what you hate the most)
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To: Neville72

The chia pet Ill Kim chee NK can now pursue his little nuclear kingdom now that his pals.....the Dems are back in control. More champagne toasts with Madaleine Halfwit there Dear Leader? Sorry Japan..you are on your own.


23 posted on 11/08/2006 3:09:19 PM PST by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Do you really think the Olympics mean that much to China when it comes to Taiwan? I don't. Look for a surprise attack before the Olympics if one is to come from China.
24 posted on 11/08/2006 3:12:47 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: crazyhorse691
The worst of it is that the Dixie Tricks are doing a concert later this week in Portland and I can just picture the bleached blond blimpo bimbo Natalie braying about how good this will be for the world blah,blah,blah.

I would rather be forced to watch a solid month, 24 hrs a day of EHarmony.com commercials than listen to the fat pig, Maines warble one song. Enjoy the show.

25 posted on 11/08/2006 3:13:26 PM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72
I dunno. I almost think that it would take a Democrat leading America before half of the nitwits that I know would support defending America. It's sad but true. I don't know where this stupid "I'll vote for anybody, as long as they are a Democrat" mentality comes from, but it is rampant. If the right Democrat came along (Zell Miller type), this kind of people would be behind him "tooth and nail" in a fight. It's strange, but true. Don't despair.

"Never say die while there's a shot in the locker".

26 posted on 11/08/2006 3:15:56 PM PST by badbass
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I suspect there will be mushroom clouds over several arab cities before Israel is finished...


27 posted on 11/08/2006 3:17:24 PM PST by bradthebuilder (Iran....we still owe you for the embassy and the barracks)
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To: monkeywrench
And his replacement, who presumably does understand that she has a boss, tells the palis that they have suffered under occupation long enough. And seems to think that the palis really want to peacefully coexist with Israel. Go figure....

Colin was fired, remember? He just couldn't understand he had a boss.

28 posted on 11/08/2006 3:17:34 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: COEXERJ145

You are correct about the negativity... ironic that it is the dims themselves that are the negative here.

We were just in a bar brawl (last night) and we lost. You pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and break a friggin' beer bottle over the head of the guy you fought with. ;-)

LLS


29 posted on 11/08/2006 3:18:17 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Neville72
You guys all sound like the Dems did 2 years ago: "The sky is falling and this isn't America anymore". What a bunch of chicken littles.

I say that all those little countries that have relied on us for the last 60 years have taken us for suckers and should defend themselves. Are you worried about Japan and S. Korea? They could develop and deploy a complete nuclear deterrent in 4 years or less. Ditto Taiwan.

They have no need to when Uncle Sucker will do it for them. How about we think of ourselves first from now on. As for the Dems, they wouldn't have a prayer if our guys weren't such losers. Let's fix our own house and then watch theirs fall apart. I'm talking real conservatism here. We haven't seen it yet. Not in 1980, or 1994, and definitely not in 2000.

Let's start now.

30 posted on 11/08/2006 3:19:09 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: Neville72
That was utterly pollyanish and wishful thinking.

You got that right.

31 posted on 11/08/2006 3:20:22 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Batrachian

One other thing. If you're bummed out now think how you'll feel in 2008. Need I elaborate?


32 posted on 11/08/2006 3:21:08 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: RunningWolf

By the way, I kind of have my doubts that China really wants to attack Taiwan. With good reason: China is growing so fast economically by themselves that it would be economic suicide to attack Taiwan. My stepdad visited Guangzhou (Canton) last year and he told me the city is just about as modern as Hong Kong now, a sign that China doesn't need Taiwan's technical expertise anymore.


33 posted on 11/08/2006 3:21:51 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: bradthebuilder

"I suspect there will be mushroom clouds over several arab cities before Israel is finished".



Fine with me! Let's roll!


34 posted on 11/08/2006 3:23:04 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Silly
We just moved one step towards the dark ages today. How bad will it have to be before we take these jihadists seriously?

Not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if English is superseded by Arabic.

35 posted on 11/08/2006 3:24:01 PM PST by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: COEXERJ145
So go somewhere else and party about "teaching the pubbies a lesson". Do you think that the WOT was a game? a Hollywood movie? Yes Virginia these monsters are for real, and now that they have forced us out of Iraq, they won't stop.
36 posted on 11/08/2006 3:30:41 PM PST by Dstorm
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To: Neville72

He's already pretty much told them that anyway.


37 posted on 11/08/2006 3:31:05 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: COEXERJ145
Amen. The fact is that the Chicoms lack the hardware to
launch an amphib assault on Taiwan. Taiwan's military is superior in technology and training. The Chicom's military upgrade has more to do with the N. Koreans, Russia, India and the Muslims in Iran and the Stans. The Chicom economy needs US dollars. China fears 2 things
chaos and a militarized Japan. If they attack Taiwan they get both.
38 posted on 11/08/2006 3:31:49 PM PST by Cryocon
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To: Neville72

Well said.

Yesterday, a majority of the electorate voted to stab the troops in the back.

And they did so for the second time in a single generation.

My new tagline says it all.


39 posted on 11/08/2006 3:34:14 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: Neville72

"I would rather be forced to watch a solid month, 24 hrs a day of EHarmony.com commercials..."

Or worse, A months of watching those Progressive Direct commercials. I frigging hate that guy!


40 posted on 11/08/2006 3:37:31 PM PST by mowowie
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To: Neville72

Exactly my thoughts and what I have been telling everyone I've talked to today, although not as well as you just did.


41 posted on 11/08/2006 3:42:05 PM PST by Grateful One
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To: CAP811
As a student of history, I have sometimes wondered what will remain of our civilization a thousand years from now. Best guess, if we are speaking arabic, is the foundations of some really big buildings.
42 posted on 11/08/2006 3:44:08 PM PST by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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To: Neville72
Enjoy the show.


I won'nt be going to see the show...if I am able to swing it I will be outside protesting their existence(their venue will be less than a quarter mile from Oregons most polluted river)...it already stinks from our NBA team the Jailblazers.
43 posted on 11/08/2006 3:57:23 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: bradthebuilder
As a student of history, I have sometimes wondered what will remain of our civilization a thousand years from now. Best guess, if we are speaking Arabic, is the foundations of some really big buildings

As a student of history I have learned to hate history. I'm afraid we have forgotten history and as it's been said we are doomed to repeat it.

44 posted on 11/08/2006 3:58:18 PM PST by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: CAP811

Most people I know hate history. Thats why, sure enough, we will be doomed to repeat it. The Old Testament is full of examples where if only Israel had kept to the straight and narrow....

BTW, nice tagline


45 posted on 11/08/2006 4:02:48 PM PST by bradthebuilder (War is peace; Ignorance is strength; Freedom is slavery)
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To: Neville72

Might as well call Maliki in Iraq too. There is apparently no stomach in the U.S. to defend ourselves let alone our allies. Hope nobody needs our help in the near future since there isn't much help to offer them.


46 posted on 11/08/2006 4:14:18 PM PST by bpjam (Vote. Vote Now. Drag your neighbors along.)
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To: bradthebuilder

BINGO! If the islamofascists are delusional enough, this election could lead to the first nuke war of the 21st century. Maybe having Israel go nuclear is the lesson that the world needs to see past petty partisan political fights.


47 posted on 11/08/2006 4:24:50 PM PST by darth
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To: COEXERJ145
Let's just all kill ourselves so we don't have to worry about it.

Thats the first bit of advice that I have read that makes any sense...........

48 posted on 11/08/2006 6:06:09 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I was just thirteen, you might say I was a musical proverbial knee-high...)
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To: Neville72

Frankly, the Taiwanese would have been on their own even if the Republicans kept the House.
A lot of Republican congressmen and senators prostitute themselves to corporations who do business with Red China.


49 posted on 11/08/2006 7:47:41 PM PST by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: CAP811

They can and do practice their religion and carry out their sub-human campaign of death in any and all languages.

This is not a problem of a region, a people, or a country or countries. It is a transnational cult of death the transcends any horror mankind has ever dared to imagine.

Satan is clearly in the middle of this. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the antidote and we must be willing to give our lives spreading it.


50 posted on 11/08/2006 8:14:46 PM PST by Silly (.)
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