Shame of the Yankees - America's Worst Anti-Jewish Action [Civil War thread]

You're on. Here's the actual relevant text from Mein Kampf: By a federated state we understand a league of sovereign states which band together of their own free will, on the strength of their sovereignty; ceding to the totality that share of their particular sovereign rights which makes possible and guarantees the existence of the common federation. In practice this theoretical formulation does not apply entirely to any of the federated states existing on earth today. Least of all to the American Union, where, as far as the overwhelming part of the individual states are concerned, there can be no question of any original sovereignty, but, on the contrary, many of them were sketched into the total area of the Union in the course of time, so to speak. Hence in the individual states of the American Union we have mostly to do with smaller and larger territories, formed for technical, administrative reasons, and, often marked out with a ruler, states which previously had not and could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that had formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states. The very extensive special rights granted, or rather assigned, to the individual territories are not only in keeping with the whole character of this federation of states, but above all with the size of its area, its spatial dimensions which approach the scope of a continent. And so, as far as the states of the American Union are concerned, we cannot speak of their state sovereignty, but only of their constitutionally established and guaranteed rights, or better, perhaps, privileges

That certainly sounds like Lincoln's philosophy of state's rights, as well as many modern Republican's views that we live in "one nation, indivisible".

A soverieign state has the right to nullify the unconsititutional acts of the servant, to which they have delegated their rights. A sovereign state has the right to leave, when the servant to which they have delegated their rights abuses the privileges to which they have been entrusted.

The problem with many, very well meaning, patriotic Republicans, is that they confuse nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism is the love of the "nation-state". Patriotism is the love of one's God, church, family, community, land. It is possible to love one's country, and fear, or even detest the government.

Personally, I think government is a lot like whiskey. Some people need a little, every now and then. However, when taken in large quanities, too often, it will intoixicate and enslave those who partake of it.

In his book, A New Birth of Freedom, Harry Jaffa begins the second chapter with a quotation of Adolph Hitler taken from a book authored by Hermann Rauschning in which Hitler supposedly said that after the Southern states were conquered in America "the beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed.

Harry Jaffa is one of the foremost Lincoln apologists. To be truthful, there is some doubt that Hitler ever said that, and it is possible that Harry Jaffa is wrong. However, the Lincoln apologists stand squarely on the side of Jaffa.

Hitler

“Individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states.

Certainly all the states in the world are moving toward a certain unification in their inner organization. And in this Germany will be no exception. Today it is an absurdity to speak of a ‘state sovereignty’ of individual provinces. In particular we cannot grant to any individual state within the nation and the state representing it state sovereignty and sovereignty in point of political power.

National Socialism as a matter of principle, must lay claim to the right to force its principles on the whole German nation without consideration of previous federated state boundaries.”

Sorry Bubba, but my schedule does not revolve around your posts here.

That excerpt from Mein Kampf is a direct praise of Lincoln's policies. Lincoln was absolute authoritarian and socialist. Like Henry Clan and Alexander Hamilton before him, he never saw a tax he didn't like. He was a consumate politician in that he gathered power around him at any cost. In today's terms, that cost would be 6 million American dead.

Frankly speaking, even if the war were about slavery that cost is unacceptable.

But the war was not about slavery, and we bot know that. It was about Lincoln's "American System" beliefs that he adopted from Clay.

Get reading.

That excerpt from Mein Kampf is a direct praise of Lincoln's policies.

No it's not. All it is is a statement that that states created after the original 13 were creations of the United States and not the other way around.Hitler also praised modern highways. Does that mean that Eisenhower was a fascist?

But the war was not about slavery, and we bot know that. It was about Lincoln's "American System" beliefs that he adopted from Clay.

Ah, that must be why all the secession documents talked about Henry Clay and the American System. Oh, wait. They mostly talked about slavery.

Try reading some books that aren't spoonfeeding you what you want to hear.

"All it is is a statement that that states created after the original 13 were creations of the United States and not the other way around."

As if. The states were very much entities unto themselves in the 19th century. This is not the Whisky Rebellion (READ: a bunch of pissed off farmers), we're talking about more than half the country. In fact, one state almost completely dropped out decades earlier due to unfair taxation. Just to put this into realistic terms:

http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/keemakoo/scsuccesiom.html

I know this is a stretch for you, but states leaving the union was a very, very real thing then. Otherwise, utterly intelligent, well-meaning men would never have attempted it more than once. In fact, I believe it's implicit in the Federalist Papers that they had this right. When it appeared on the horizon of his presidency, Lincoln, ever the attack dog, never attempted to negotioate, but to strike and wage a bloody, bloody war the even he never expected.

Fine, you're ok with the blood spilled in the Civil War. That was your way of going about it. It was necessary to you. I've got that.

"Hitler also praised modern highways. Does that mean that Eisenhower was a fascist?"

Althought a member of the GOP Eisenhower was a noted liberal famous for tax hikes. No, I don't believe you should be taxed to pay for my highways. I believe in defense of this country primarily. Tomorrow you'll be defending a tax hike for my grandma's retirement. Oh wait, we already have that. I guess you'll be defending a tax hike so that you and others can feed my kid at school. Oh wait, the school lunch program is a federal program. I guess you'll be defending a tax hike for buying people medicine. Oh wait, it's one of the biggest socialist programs in world history and it's called Medicaid.

"Henry Clay and the American System. Oh, wait. They mostly talked about slavery."

Henry Clay gave a rat's ass about slavery? Yuk yuk! At the GOP convention Lincoln promised northern industrialist that he would make good on the Morrill Tariff. That he would fleece the South to pay for public works projects in the north.

Lincoln was a lawyer for chrissakes!

The GOP were in power for over 30 years as the tax and spend party of the 19th century (does that not blow your mind?) and actually lost the House after decades because people had had enough of their tax increases!!!!

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