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jonno ^ | 11-28-06 | Jonno

Posted on 11/28/2006 7:08:02 AM PST by jonno

It's been a long, long time, but I'm back in the market for a new PC. The last time I built a machine (10 years ago 8^) I used an AMD processor, but there were always "issues".

I've been looking over at the Dell site, and they seem to have some very good deals. What is interesting is that the AMD-based machines are a good deal cheaper - and what about that Celeron?

So today I'm looking to tap into the deep pool of Freeper knowledge.


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Your advice is greatly appreciated.
1 posted on 11/28/2006 7:08:04 AM PST by jonno
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To: jonno

Right now Intel, hands down. Core2Duo or Core2Quad(QX6700)


2 posted on 11/28/2006 7:09:17 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

A DELL????


3 posted on 11/28/2006 7:09:22 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: jonno

No Celeron.

AMD if you like gaming.

Intel if you don't care.


4 posted on 11/28/2006 7:10:19 AM PST by kddid (Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.)
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To: jonno

How much $ are you willing to spend and what are you going to use it for?


5 posted on 11/28/2006 7:10:31 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

You get what you pay for. The AMD chips are okay and are far more compatible now than they were, but Intel is still the industry leader (at least now that they got the Core 2 Duo line out) and they have lots more R&D money.

I'd still buy Intel and have for my last two machines (both purchased this year.)

Even Apple has gone Intel!


6 posted on 11/28/2006 7:10:55 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: jonno
The answer is "it depends".

What do you intend to use it for...and what operating system do you intend to use?

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 11/28/2006 7:11:22 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: kddid
AMD if you like gaming.

are you smoking dope?

8 posted on 11/28/2006 7:11:34 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

I'd say just make certain you get a 64 bit processor from either company, and make certain it is a 'dual core.' Unless you are a propeller head looking for THE best performance, you'll be happy with either.

Stay away from Celeron.

Make certain ANY processor/ PC/ Notebook you buy is ready to run Microsoft Vista **AND** can handle at least 2 Gb of RAM.

That's my 4 cents. I have 6 machines here in my company-- 3 are intel, 3 are AMD. No issues.


9 posted on 11/28/2006 7:12:44 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: kddid

> AMD if you like gaming.

That used to be true.

The Core 2 Duo chips outperform all similarly priced Athlon 64 and Opteron CPU's when it comes to gaming, and to just about everything else.


10 posted on 11/28/2006 7:14:10 AM PST by Mr170IQ
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To: Echo Talon; kddid

It was AMD for gaming until the Core 2 Duo came out.


11 posted on 11/28/2006 7:14:50 AM PST by steveegg (UNNNNGGGHHHH! Seeking new state, will travel)
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To: jonno

I consider myself an AMD fan, BUT Intel right now has the best
processors... if ya don't trust me do some reviews online... just go to yahoo and search for a review of the "Intel Core2Duo E6600"(thats a pretty good sweet spot)


12 posted on 11/28/2006 7:14:50 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

I do a bit of gaming and love AMD's. They run my programs for school quite well, too (MATLAB, Mathematica, AutoCAD). The only thing you might want to do is make sure you have extra cooling capability. A single case fan might not do the job - use 2 at a minimum. As far as dual core processors, I believe that it's basically a wash between AMD and Intel. The only difference (I beleive) is the AMD's are 64 bit whereas the Intels are still 32. (Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong...)


13 posted on 11/28/2006 7:16:14 AM PST by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: Mr170IQ

Any incompatibility (issues) you saw in the past were probably more due to a cheaply made and poorly engineered motherboard rather than the AMD processor, a company looking to scrimp on costs will scrimp on everything.


14 posted on 11/28/2006 7:16:20 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: steveegg
It was AMD for gaming until the Core 2 Duo came out.

yea, im using a custom homebuilt AMD system right now, like i said i like AMD they have done LOTS for ALL of us... but Intel has an excellent product in the Core2Duo and Core2Quad(IF you do professional apps like 3D rendering, video editing and such)

15 posted on 11/28/2006 7:18:17 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Exactly right. It's a no-brainer.


16 posted on 11/28/2006 7:19:03 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: jonno

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html


17 posted on 11/28/2006 7:19:31 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Andonius_99
As far as dual core processors, I believe that it's basically a wash between AMD and Intel. The only difference (I beleive) is the AMD's are 64 bit whereas the Intels are still 32. (Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong...)

yea its bette not to give advise if your not sure.
In this case the Intel Core2Duo BLOWS AMD's X2 and FX out of the water... and Intel is also 64bit :\

18 posted on 11/28/2006 7:20:26 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Mr170IQ; Echo Talon

There are not many, if any, games that use a dual core processor right now. I used to be an Intel user, but that all changed after I tried an AMD. I only care about performance, so I am not an Intel or AMD devotee as many people are.


19 posted on 11/28/2006 7:22:27 AM PST by kddid (Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.)
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To: jonno

AMD uses recycled electrons, Intel uses fresh electrons. There's nothing wrong in using recycled electrons. All computers use recycled gold at contacts. AMD has rigorous testing of them. AMD has put cost pressure on Intel such that they'll be doing it too. Other than that, without bench testing, comparable chips are indistinguishable. A mid range computer today has more computer power than existed in 1965 in the whole world. Use the power responsibly. Don't drink and write code.


20 posted on 11/28/2006 7:25:55 AM PST by Leisler
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To: stainlessbanner

iTunes is the WORST test, check 3D Studio max and other apps...


21 posted on 11/28/2006 7:26:00 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: kddid
There are not many, if any, games that use a dual core processor right now. I used to be an Intel user, but that all changed after I tried an AMD. I only care about performance, so I am not an Intel or AMD devotee as many people are.

Intels Mid range processor is better than AMD has period... understand?

22 posted on 11/28/2006 7:28:29 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

I used to run a celeron...got no complaints..like the AMD products, can't stand intel


23 posted on 11/28/2006 7:31:03 AM PST by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: jonno
I bought my first AMD machine (an ABS) several years ago and it served me well but was getting long in the tooth. Fortunately I fried it over the holiday (a little matter of misinstalled memory) and Merry Christmas!...a new Intel-based Core 2 Duo box I can't afford. Expected it to roll in by now but ABS says it will ship by the 27th or 28th. Then comes the pain. The other pain, I mean--of convincing Macrosaft to allow me to transfer my old load of XP onto the new box. What joy.

--Boris

24 posted on 11/28/2006 7:34:52 AM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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To: jonno

Intel.


25 posted on 11/28/2006 7:35:11 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: jonno

I've been with AMD for 10+ years now and never looked back.

It's a bang for your buck issue.


26 posted on 11/28/2006 7:41:59 AM PST by Trampled by Lambs (Ok, so changing my name was not such a good idea after all...)
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To: jonno
No, no, no, NOT DELL.

Go to Tiger Direct. They have pre-built systems or bare bones kits.

My SIL buys the bare bones kits and builds pcs for himself, friends and relatives with never a problem. He uses both AMD and Intel too. (But I like Intel). And I shop at Tiger Direst also, never any issues with them. Service is good.

And from what I 'hear' Windows XP Pro is the OS to use. (don't know about Vista)

27 posted on 11/28/2006 7:46:53 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Echo Talon
No. I do not agree.

Have you been conducting benchmark tests on the processors?

If so, which benchmark tests have you conducted and what are the results?

Also, which games and hardware variations did you use to come to that conclusion?

As I said, I only care about performance. If one chip outperforms the other, I will use it. If the tests you've run show me Intel is better, then I will consider an Intel for my next purchase. But right now, mine says AMD.

28 posted on 11/28/2006 7:47:02 AM PST by kddid (Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.)
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To: kddid

"There are not many, if any, games that use a dual core processor right now. I used to be an Intel user, but that all changed after I tried an AMD. I only care about performance, so I am not an Intel or AMD devotee as many people are."

I recommend a bit of catchup reading at tech sites. I also chase the price/performance curve, but at the present time Intel Core 2 Duo wins across the board in all categories - gaming and applications alike.

It even runs cool, unlike their previous egg-boiler. Personally I expect some good work from AMD soon. That's the way these things go, back and forth.

(Side note: the E6400 is the sweet spot; cheap and monumentally overclockable).


29 posted on 11/28/2006 7:47:22 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: jonno
IMO: currently Intel is leading the pack with the Duo's, once AMD releases their new chip it will flip and then with Intel's next releases it will flip again. Usually the most recent latest and greatest regardless of the manufacturer is the way to go if you really want to be on the bleeding edge. The downside of being an early adopter is if there are any hiccups you experience them.
30 posted on 11/28/2006 7:56:28 AM PST by thinkthenpost
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To: kddid
Look reviews for ya...

Core 2 Duo E6600 Retail $312

AMD Athlon FX 62 $695.99

there ya go... thats STOCK... now the E6600 CAN easily be Overclocked to be as fast as the X6800...

31 posted on 11/28/2006 7:58:22 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Filo

Four desktops, and 4 laptops all Intel, and from Windows 95 to
Windows XP. Anything not XP or 2000, is in backup role.


32 posted on 11/28/2006 7:58:29 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: No.6
(Side note: the E6400 is the sweet spot; cheap and monumentally overclockable).

yea... IF your going to Overclock... I always overclock but i love the E6600 because its still a great overclocker + the added cache.

33 posted on 11/28/2006 8:00:27 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: steveegg

A lot of the Core 2 Duo chips have much less processor speed, like 1.8 GHZ. What's the deal with that?


34 posted on 11/28/2006 8:02:14 AM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Barney Gumble
A lot of the Core 2 Duo chips have much less processor speed, like 1.8 GHZ. What's the deal with that?

the mhz war is over... that is meaningless(I thought AMD proved that to ALL of use over the past couple of years...)
Its all about operations/instructions per clock cycle

35 posted on 11/28/2006 8:07:41 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon; No.6

As it is in politics, it is in processors. I look at all sites with a bit of skepticism. There are obviuosly reviewers who have a particular bias towards Intel or AMD. I am talking about performance on my system and AMD has been better so far. No.6 is correct about these things going back and forth. Build yourself a top of the line machine today, and it will be top of the line until next week.


36 posted on 11/28/2006 8:09:13 AM PST by kddid (Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.)
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To: jonno
http://digitalvideoediting.com/Htm/DVEditHomeSet1.htm

The above is a link to a site that compares HP's AMD and Intel workstations for graphic creation. FYI, AVID now sells HP workstations with either AMD or Intel processors for their professional video editing software.
If you absolutely must have the fastest machine you are in for perpetual disappointment. By the time you get your new computer home, there will probably be at least two or three faster processors out from both AMD and Intel. RAM is just as important as the processor speed and the video card is nearly as important.
My bargain basement HP desktop with an Athlon XP 4200+ Dual Core and my HP laptop with a AMD Turion 64 Dual Core both zip right through processing 10 and 20 Megabyte RAW photo files and the desktop does the same with DV. I haven't tried video editing on the laptop.
37 posted on 11/28/2006 8:10:19 AM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: kddid

Intel will hold the title for some time, look at the road Intel and AMD road maps. Why do you think i'm lying to you? Like I said I'm an AMD FAN! Although I'm not going to lie for them.


38 posted on 11/28/2006 8:14:48 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: kddid
Jonno is asking about performance now, not when you got your system (or when I got my Athlon 64 3200+). For my reviews, I head to Tom's Hardware, and they tend to not take sides. In fact, they had the Athlon 64/64 x2 on top of Intel until the Core 2 Duos showed up.
39 posted on 11/28/2006 8:18:54 AM PST by steveegg (UNNNNGGGHHHH! Seeking new state, will travel)
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To: ekwd
Right now Gateway has a really good deal and a FAST machine

Its also getting good reviews... QUAD CORE Intel Processor

Gateway Quad-Core
You can also get it FACTORY overclocked or free to 3.2GHZ x 4 and it also retains the manufacturer warranty...

40 posted on 11/28/2006 8:19:06 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno
I would go with Intel (INTC); but then I have a few shares of their stock. I guess this is a contlict of interest. I have "heard" some extremely negative things about Intel recently; so I am now researching for myself the accuracy of what I have read here. Just my two cents worth!

:-)

I hope you get exactly what you want in a PC regardless of where or from whom you purchase it.

Nancee

41 posted on 11/28/2006 8:19:44 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: Echo Talon
Sounds familiar (Athlon 64 3200+/nForce 4 SLI/single Nvidia 7800 GT/1 GB memory clocked to the sweet spot on the timings here). I'm still bemoaning AMD's abandonment of Socket 939 and DDR for no appreciable gain.

If I had to start from scratch, I would be going with a Core 2 Duo. Of course, I'd have to get new memory (which I would have to do even if I stuck with AMD).

42 posted on 11/28/2006 8:25:08 AM PST by steveegg (UNNNNGGGHHHH! Seeking new state, will travel)
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To: steveegg
If I had to start from scratch, I would be going with a Core 2 Duo. Of course, I'd have to get new memory (which I would have to do even if I stuck with AMD).

Actually... you're wrong... you can get a Core2Duo motherboard that supports DDR + DDR2 and AGP

This was just a quick link BUT others ARE on the market by other companies

Look

43 posted on 11/28/2006 8:31:25 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
I don't think you are lying to me. You don't sound like a novice and I am certainly not a novice. I used Intel on all of my other computers until I built my most recent system. The AMD has performed better for me. I still have 2 of my older Intel systems but they are little more than bulky calculators now - 1.7 ghz.

The AMD is an X2 4400+ (overclockable, if you're in to that). I know it is old news now, but 6 months ago, it was the best bang for the buck (price/performance). A few months after I bought it, the price dropped dramatically. The AM2 was the new thing. But, as I'm sure you are aware, if you try to keep up with the latest and greatest, you'll be changing your system constantly. When all is said and done, what are a few milliseconds to the average user?

I guess the next question on this thread should be which is better, NVidia or ATI? LOL.

44 posted on 11/28/2006 8:37:29 AM PST by kddid (Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.)
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To: steveegg
Here this one is even better its from ASROCK(ASUS child)
It supports Core2Duo and Core2QUAD Core, DDR, DDR2, AGP and PCI ;)

ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA Review
Enjoy

45 posted on 11/28/2006 8:38:24 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

As of today, go with a duo Intel.


46 posted on 11/28/2006 8:38:25 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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To: joe fonebone
Here's all I need to know:

Soros fund's stock holdings grows 38%

Billionaire investor's hedge fund takes stakes in AMD, Chipotle Grill, adds to Cisco holdings.

November 14 2006: 7:39 PM EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- An investment fund controlled by billionaire investor George Soros increased its long stock and options positions by 38 percent to nearly $2.9 billion in the third quarter, according to a quarterly disclosure filed with U.S. regulators Tuesday.

Unlike previous disclosures from Soros Fund Management LLC that showed particular sectors in and out of favor, the holdings across multiple sectors as of Sept. 30 showed a diverse set of new holdings. They included a nearly $20 million stake in Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (Charts), and an $11 million position in Chipotle Mexican Grill Inc.

47 posted on 11/28/2006 8:39:29 AM PST by daler (The best things in life...aren't "things.")
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To: kddid
I guess the next question on this thread should be which is better, NVidia or ATI? LOL.

LOL! not thats where I have to start doing some research... I'm NOT a gamer and generally it depends on what you need it for...

Your processor is fine and im thinking strongly about upgrading my Athlon64 3500+ to a X2 4400

48 posted on 11/28/2006 8:42:43 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: jonno

They see-saw for industry lead all the time... right now, I think Intel has the better top-end processors. If you're looking for middle-tier stuff, AMD will probably be less expensive than the most equivalent Intel chip.

In any case, consumers should have a great deal of affection for AMD simply because they forced Intel to be more competitive and not drag their heels so much trying to milk older technology.


49 posted on 11/28/2006 8:49:47 AM PST by kevkrom (John F'n Kerry's 'apology': "I'm sorry you were too stupid to realize I wasn't calling you stupid.")
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n any case, consumers should have a great deal of affection for AMD simply because they forced Intel to be more competitive and not drag their heels so much trying to milk older technology.

This is why I love AMD but Intel does currently have the crown up and down the price scales...

50 posted on 11/28/2006 8:56:26 AM PST by Echo Talon
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