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Some bumps on the road to Vista
CNET News.com ^ | 02/07/2007 | Bry Ina Friend

Posted on 02/07/2007 9:03:47 AM PST by Swordmaker

Windows Vista has been in consumers' hands for about a week now and, while there haven't been a flood of problems, there have been a few bumps along the way.

Among the initial gripes are trouble installing or activating copies, as well as reports that the operating system isn't working quite as they expected. In addition to the sporadic reports of bugs and upgrade issues, other people are discovering that hardware and software incompatibilities are impeding their path to Vista.

Michael Cherry, an analyst with research firm Directions on Microsoft, said he doesn't expect a lot of major bugs right out of the gate for Vista, but said that smaller hurdles like incompatible software or missing hardware drivers can still make the move unpleasant.

"When I buy a Mac, I'm like a kid at Christmas; I can't wait to take it home," he said. "When I buy a Windows machine, I wonder what kind of issues am I going to have to fix. Right from the beginning, I almost have buyer's remorse."

"This is where (Microsoft's) own success comes back to haunt them. Even a small error rate becomes a big number." --Michael Cherry, Directions on Microsoft

In many ways, Microsoft has been more ready for Vista than for any past version. More than five million people had access to test versions of the software, meaning the company had a better chance to catch a wider array of potential compatibility issues than in the past. As for hardware drivers, there were 30,000 such drivers that shipped with Vista, more than three times the number that came with Windows XP.

With Vista coming nearly five years after XP, Microsoft has had plenty of time to try to get computer makers and the software industry ready for the new operating system. The company offered a design preview of the OS, then code-named Longhorn, six months before publicly unveiling a test version at the 2003 Professional Developers Conference. It has been working directly with the top 1,000 developers and invited many companies to come to Redmond to test their products in a secure building stocked with brownies and Xbox 360s designed to make the coders happy as they Vista-fied their products.

"In the pantheon of OS releases and Windows releases, I think we feel pretty good about the customer experience we've delivered," said Greg Sullivan, a group product manager in the Windows unit at Microsoft.

Still, there are key pieces of software, ranging from things like Apple's iTunes to virtual private network (VPN) software to disk utilities that still don't fully work with the new operating system. And plenty of hardware--items like printers and wireless cards--is missing a needed driver to work properly.

Activation trouble

For those who are making the move to Vista, one trouble area has been properly activating the new operating system. Cartoonist Mike Cope spent hours trying to get his Windows 2000-based system to move to Vista. Initially, he tried to upgrade from within Windows 2000, but that didn't work. Next, the Stoney Creek, Ontario, resident tried to do a clean installation of the software on his PC. The software installed fine, but when time came to do the product activation--a mandatory step with Vista--the process failed.

After reinstalling Windows 2000 and trying a few more things, Cope eventually found a loophole that solved his problem--installing Vista without activating it and then installing it a second time and going through the activation process. Because the software assumed he was moving from Vista to Vista, it activated successfully.

Still, Cope wasn't happy with the more than six hours he spent getting to Vista. "I should've bought a Mac," Cope said.

In theory, that method would let almost anyone install Vista using the upgrade disc rather than a full copy of the OS. However, Microsoft is not condoning such efforts.

"Microsoft is aware of that workaround and encourages all customers to follow the official guidelines for upgrading to Windows Vista," a Microsoft representative said in an e-mail. "People without a licensed copy of XP or earlier version of Windows that use this workaround are violating the terms of use agreed to when they purchased the upgrade version of Windows Vista."

While Cope eventually got himself to Vista, Brent Wasserman, a New York-based technology consultant, is still stuck on XP. He recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with Windows XP, making him eligible for a free upgrade to Vista. However, he has been unable to register at the fulfillment site for the offer due to a glitch with the site.

"This is where (Microsoft's) own success comes back to haunt them," said Directions on Microsoft's Cherry. "Even a small error rate becomes a big number."

The little things

For the vast majority who have upgraded their PC without incident, there are still little things that aren't quite as expected. Some MP3 players, for example, aren't properly being recognized. One person found that his Black Eyed Peas track, which displayed fine in XP, showed up in Vista's Windows Media Player with all of its metadata in Chinese.

Sullivan said that Microsoft is looking into the reports of problems as they come in.

"We know there will always be a few instances" of problems, Sullivan said. "What we are trying to do now is identify and resolve these as quickly as we possibly can."

Vista itself tries to solve problems when it can. For software that doesn't install properly, for example, the operating system can try again by changing some settings that often block otherwise compatible programs from installing properly. The software now prompts people to go online for updates as part of their installation, meaning that those who install Vista next week will have more drivers available than those who did so on day one. Microsoft has also added an update to Vista that improves compatibility for dozens of programs, particularly games, but also including other programs ranging from Microsoft Money 2006 to Adobe Systems Creative Suite CS2.

In some cases, software that doesn't work is an annoyance, but in other cases, it can be a deal-breaker.

"Take the case of the college student who uses exam software which runs (only) on XP--that individual can't upgrade," Cherry said. "Even for noncorporate users, there are these blocking programs that can get in your way."


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1 posted on 02/07/2007 9:03:49 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: 1234; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; Alexander Rubin; anonymous_user; ...
After six hours trying to install Vista, user declares "I shoulda bought a Mac!" PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 02/07/2007 9:05:10 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
No mention of turning a 5.1 surround sound audio cards into cheapy stereo.
3 posted on 02/07/2007 9:15:37 AM PST by wizecrakker (Trying to behave)
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To: Swordmaker

Swordmaker you are obsessed. Seek help.


4 posted on 02/07/2007 9:27:45 AM PST by FreedomGuru
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To: FreedomGuru

Actually, I consider Swordmaker a social worker, donating his valuable time to do a much needed public service.

For every person he helps make the switch to Mac, there is one less frustrated computer user. The ones he probably helps the most are the small business owners of the US, who are responsible for most of the job creation in the country.

The small business owners cannot afford IT workers on the payroll and certainly can't afford "down-time". They need reliable computers to stay competitive.

Macs are trhe most reliable computers for small business, hands down. We have used them for years for just this reason.


5 posted on 02/07/2007 9:34:53 AM PST by jacquej
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To: Swordmaker

Odd....my new macbook had no issues of compatibility at all. And this is switching from a severely dated pc. I'm getting everything transferred from the old to the new though...only have USB 1 ports on the old computer...so mind-numbingly old and slow.


6 posted on 02/07/2007 9:36:53 AM PST by Eragon
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To: FreedomGuru

hehe...we are like moths to a flame, are we not? Including you...:)


7 posted on 02/07/2007 10:04:52 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Swordmaker

By the time all the bugs are worked out, Windows 2010 will be ready for release.


8 posted on 02/07/2007 10:16:56 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Swordmaker
I use Raxco's "PerfectDisk" and I recently received an email from them, in part as follows:
Raxco is proud to announce that PerfectDisk 8 is the first and only defragmenter to be Certified for Windows Vista by Microsoft. PerfectDisk 8 Build 50 is now available for use on Windows Vista, as well as Windows XP Home/Professional, Windows Server 2003 and Windows 2000 Professional/Server.

During the PerfectDisk 8 Vista certification testing process, Raxco’s development team uncovered a bug within a component of Windows Vista that could potentially cause hard drive corruption. Raxco has already reported this bug to Microsoft and Microsoft is working to resolve the issue. Raxco has designed PerfectDisk 8 build 50 to specifically work around this issue.


9 posted on 02/07/2007 10:22:41 AM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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To: Swordmaker

So, what this is saying is that it's gone over remarkably well, but a couple people had trouble.

A couple people are bound to have trouble even understanding how to reply to this post. Sounds to me like it's gone pretty dang smoothly, considering the huge scale of the release.


10 posted on 02/07/2007 10:30:39 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: wizecrakker
No mention of turning a 5.1 surround sound audio cards into cheapy stereo.

That's because he didn't get far enough to even have to worry about that little detail...

11 posted on 02/07/2007 10:49:46 AM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: Catholic Canadian
What makes you think that? Were all the bugs ever worked out of Windows 98? 2000? XP? I think you may be overly optimistic..
12 posted on 02/07/2007 10:52:04 AM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Then again - I have heard from a fellow I know at CompUSA that the sales of Vista have gone FAR slower than they anticipated - with lots of copies not even unboxed from the cartons...

He also said that they have about a week's worth of backlog in the tech/repair dept. at their store. He said that people are trying to install Vista on machines that they really shouldn't - between hardware incompatibility, to already bunged up XP installs (and one poor woman that actually tried to install Vista on an old 98SE machine...ugh), to machines that just need to have the drive formatted because they are so badly infected.


13 posted on 02/07/2007 10:58:16 AM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: TheBattman
He said that people are trying to install Vista on machines that they really shouldn't - between hardware incompatibility, to already bunged up XP installs (and one poor woman that actually tried to install Vista on an old 98SE machine...ugh), to machines that just need to have the drive formatted because they are so badly infected.

That's hardly the fault of Vista.

Sales of boxes of Vista may indeed be slow... People should think hard about upgrading old machines. I probably won't on my old machine. It was originally 98 Machine, ugraded to XP and doing fine as is. I'll probably have to look forward to a new machine before I get Vista.

14 posted on 02/07/2007 11:27:59 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TheBattman
Were all the bugs ever worked out of Windows 98? 2000?

My opinion is that 2000 Server is THE most stable Windows OS at this time.

But of MS doesn't support it anymore, so I am slowly moving to Ubuntu Linux.

15 posted on 02/07/2007 11:38:19 AM PST by wizecrakker (Trying to behave)
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To: jacquej
Macs are trhe most reliable computers for small business, hands down. We have used them for years for just this reason.

That may very well be, but after spending a lifetime working with technical disciplines, architecture, mechanical, electrical, structural and civil engineering, geodesy, photogrametry, fluid mechanics and astronomy, and having visited dozens of professional offices hundreds of time, I can't recall ever seeing a single Mac.

Mind you, I'm not claiming that there weren't any, but if so, they were very well hidden, or perhaps used in the cafeterias.

On the other hand, I must agree with you, if I ever open an organic tea shop or a sandals shop, I would probably get a Mac.

16 posted on 02/07/2007 12:21:25 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Swordmaker
One person found that his Black Eyed Peas track, which displayed fine in XP, showed up in Vista's Windows Media Player with all of its metadata in Chinese.

I hate it when that happens.

17 posted on 02/07/2007 12:55:16 PM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

And that people don't need to buy the full version!


18 posted on 02/07/2007 12:57:35 PM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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To: Swordmaker
Why do they have to make an Article about Vista an Apple ad?

Thats how I know Apple users are liberals, the media gives them free advertising all the time.

19 posted on 02/07/2007 1:06:39 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Swordmaker
"I should've bought a Mac," Cope said.

Then he couldn't Overclock, have hardware RAID or SLI... go ahead and BUY A POS MAC...

20 posted on 02/07/2007 1:09:21 PM PST by Echo Talon
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