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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


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KEYWORDS: aboutthebaby; anna; annanicole; ans; deadwrongdaddy; getalife; giveitup; hksisafillintheblank; howietheleach; ilovelarry; killingmesoftly; larryisawesome; larryisthedaddy; larrysalunatic; lazyboylarry; lovechild; movealong; nojusticenopeace; oneheroinevirgie; overbonbonsdeadbody; prayersfordannielynn; ritaisaliar; ritaisnotaliar; shameonlarry; spermdonorsanonymous; sternsaresquatters; teambirkhead; thefatladywarmingup; thefirm; turkeybasterd; virgieisevil; virgieisnotevil
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To: Sacajaweau
I thought Lin Wood was one of the witnesses to Anna’s will. Of so, wouldn’t that be a conflict of interest??

I don't think so.

See last couple of pages of the will at link:

Anna Nicole's Will

1,162 posted on 04/09/2007 6:29:59 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: Lizarde

Thanks for this summary update! I really appreciate it!


1,163 posted on 04/09/2007 6:30:13 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Lizarde
Actually, that makes sense and frankly, that's the way it SHOULD be.

Howard doesn't want Dannie Lynn. He's already hoppin' and skippin' to his next hat....Executor.

But don't let that foole you either. The Inquest is his biggest problem right now.

1,164 posted on 04/09/2007 6:30:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

” Howard will be flaming when he walks out of court??? “

Howard Sterno ?


1,165 posted on 04/09/2007 6:33:06 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Lizarde
Actually, that makes sense and frankly, that's the way it SHOULD be.

Howard doesn't want Dannie Lynn. He's already hoppin' and skippin' to his next hat....Executor.

But don't let that foole you either. The Inquest is his biggest problem right now.

1,166 posted on 04/09/2007 6:33:08 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Kudos on that one!!


1,167 posted on 04/09/2007 6:35:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Dannielynn’s Daddy Ready for Reveal?

by Gina Serpe
Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:07:14 PM PDT

Father’s Day may come early this year for Dannielynn Hope Marshall Stern.

After a one-week break from proceedings, a hearing in the ongoing paternity battle over the tot between Howard K. Stern and Larry Birkhead is set to take place in the Bahamas Tuesday, and speculation is running high that it may finally be the day Anna Nicole Smith’s six-month-old daughter daddy drama is settled.

Thanks to a sweeping gag order imposed under the strict Bahamian legal code, none of the parties involved in the litigation can confirm exactly what’s on the docket for the hearing—but Stern has run out of legal stall tactics, and both Birkhead and Dannielynn’s DNA samples have already gone under the microscope.

Last week, Stern dropped his last-ditch motion to block the results from being entered into evidence. Stern, who is listed on the Bahamian birth certificate as the father of the infant, was not required to submit to a DNA test.

The tests themselves are reportedly being conducted by the DNA Diagnostics Center in Fairfield, Ohio, under the supervision of Dr. Michael Baird. Baird is expected to authenticate his results in court on Tuesday and disclose whether the soft-spoken Kentucky photographer is a match and whether Dannielynn will append Birkhead to her moniker.

TMZ.com, citing an “unimpeachable” source, reports that should Birkhead prove to be the father, Stern will not contest Birkhead’s custody. Instead, the lawyer will purportedly do everything in his power to keep the tot away from Smith’s mother, Virgie Arthur—at this point, her only noncontested relation.

“I think the thing we both want to do is what’s best for Dannielynn,” Birkhead said in an interview with both MSNBC and Access Hollywood. “And it does not do Dannielynn justice for her name to be out there and all these fights...we both just agreed that there would be no fights, you know, after the results are revealed.”

Birhead launched his paternity bid in October, just days after Dannielynn’s birth, with the battle being waged in courts in both California and the Bahamas. As Smith’s sole surviving child, Dannielynn stands to inherit the bulk of her mother’s estate, which could be in the hundreds of millions. Smith died Feb. 8 of an accidental overdose of prescription medication.

Should Birkhead’s genes not synch up with Dannielynn’s, it will still leave Stern with a legal challenge from late-coming fatherhood hopeful Prince Frederic Von Anhalt. It’s unclear whether Von Anhalt’s DNA, voluntarily submitted last month, has also been tested. (For a guide to all the major players, check out our Anna Nicole cheat sheet.)

“I came here with a computer bag and I might leave with a diaper bag,” Birkhead said. “It’s something I’ve been looking forward to and building up towards, but you just never know the feeling until you get your baby in your arms and you’re on the plane out of here.”

Stern wasn’t immediately available for comment. His new high-powered Los Angeles-based lawyer, L. Lin Wood, declined to comment on the paternity battle, but he did issue a lengthy statement suggesting that Stern was ready to go on the legal offensive in other matters.

“My representation of Mr. Stern will focus on those individuals and entities guilty of making false accusations of criminal conduct against him related to the tragic deaths of Anna Nicole Smith and her son, Daniel,” Wood said.

“Mr. Stern is an innocent individual who has never been charged with any crime but finds himself on trial in the media...The accusations that Mr. Stern is guilty of murder have been recklessly and maliciously invented and published by individuals and entities to advance their personal agendas with the complicity of a ratings-driven media...Mr. Stern has nothing to hide.”

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=5010745a-a985-4e4b-a7e5-4f83f14749f1


1,168 posted on 04/09/2007 6:36:20 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: shywolf

“This is what confuses me. Seems like they were all calling to check if she was still alive? I would like to know when ANS had the 105 fever and what happen in those last few hours of her life. I would of loved to be a fly on the wall in that room.”

Yeah, it’s pretty interesting that both the people who claim to be most involved with ANS’s care had ‘gotten out of Dodge’ just before the ‘train wreck’ occurred or was discovered. Sociopaths that ANS and KE are, it seems they smelled a disaster in the making - like a “too-rapid detox/dehydration due to fever and inadequately treated sepsis and mysterious head injury possibly from undisclosed seizure” and knew what they were doing was going down like the Titanic and knew enough to attempt to protect their own interests.

Clearly the (1) actual date of high fever, ice bath, antibiotic administrations, possible occipital lobe injury consistent with seizure focus is a very productive line ((( in addition to (2)the huge amounts of chloral hydrate and (3) fluctuating possible times of actual observed lividity/rigidity))) to be followed to determine what really went on in that room.


1,169 posted on 04/09/2007 6:36:49 PM PDT by nynjanais
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RE: Discussion on the Manner of Death determination of accidental

Anna Nicole Smith Investigation Reports(Invetigation Report document, pages 14-15).

There are two areas Perper discusses in the report to come to that conclusion.

A. The Exclusion of Homicide, and

B.Accident vs. Suicide

XI. Manner of Death

Since drugs were the major cause of death in this case, the manner of death cannot be considered natural. The remaining choices are homicide, suicide, accident, or undetermined (the latter if two or more possibilities are equally possible according to the Manner of Death Classification Guide distributed by the National Association of Medical Examiners-NAME).Based on the available evidence, it is our opinion that the manner of death is deemed ACCIDENT.

A. The Exclusion of Homicide

The following factors were noted but homicide was excluded:

1. Given the high level of the chloral hydrate in Miss Smith’s blood someone would have to either force-feed or coerce her into ingesting a large amount of chloral hydrate solution; (note: Why had to force-feed her or coerce her? Liquid Chloral Hydrate recommended DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION: The syrup may be administered in a half glass of water, fruit juice, or ginger ale.)

2. There was no oral trauma to suggest force-feeding; (note: Is oral the only way it could have been administered; and why would it have to be force-feed if done orally?

3. Chloral hydrate has an unpleasant, harsh taste which would be easily detectable if it was “slipped” into a drink;(note: On the many sites I have searched looking for this fact I have inactuality found that CH, because of its lack of taste, is used in “A Mickey Finn” which is any drug laced drink given to an unsuspecting victim in order to incapacitate them (also called knockout drops). A mixture of chloral hydrate and alcohol is thought to have been the original Mickey Finn. Chloral hydrate is now illegal in the United States without a prescription. Chloral hydrate is a schedule IV controlled substance in the United States. Its properties sometimes lead to its use as a date rape drug.)

4. There were no other significant injuries.

*One could speculate that Miss Smith was cognitively impaired due to her infections and use of benzodiazepines and that this rendered her susceptible to homicidal poisoning. However, given the evidence produced by the parallel police and medical examiner investigations this would represent mere speculation and does not hold up under scientific scrutiny.

(*Check out that statement!)

B. Accident vs. Suicide

The chloral hydrate levels in the blood, liver and brain are certainly in the high toxic/lethal range. As noted above, the levels of multiple other medications found in the blood were in the therapeutic range. A cogent argument for the two remaining manners of death is now in order.

1. Is it a suicide?

Suicide was considered in this case for the following reasons but it was ultimately dismissed:

a. Miss Smith suffered acute and chronic, waxing and waning, depression following the loss of her son Daniel, to whom she was extremely attached.

b. Her depression over the loss of her son three days after the delivery of her infant daughter by Caesarean section occurred at a very critical time in which many women are predisposed to endogenous depression (so-called postpartum depression). Furthermore, Miss Smith’s depression may have been further magnified by the physiologic response to a painful Caesarean section incision.

c. Miss Smith stated that “she wanted to die” after Daniel’s death but she did not develop a specific plan of action.

d. There was a near-drowning episode several months ago which could be construed as a suicide attempt, however she thanked the person who revived her (see below).

e. At one point, Miss Smith declared that she wished to die in the same fashion as her idol, Marilyn Monroe, who died by suicide. It should be noted that Miss Monroe employed chloral hydrate (in combination with a barbiturate) in her own highly publicized demise.

f. While still chronically depressed, Miss Smith experienced additional significant physical stressors: the abscess-related infection, viral enteritis, and “the flu.” The chemical mediators produced by the body in response to severe illnesses are also chemical mediators commonly elevated in major depression.

g. Several months prior to her death, Miss Smith bought several plots in a Bahamian cemetery and had possibly commissioned a dress for her funeral.

h. By report, Miss Smith did not appear to be intoxicated when she was last seen alive. This suggests that she took a significant dose of chloral hydrate in the hours preceding her death.

i. Miss Smith suffered from chronic pain and Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, both of which are associated with depression.

j. Chloral hydrate may result in jaundice or icterus in cases of chronic toxicity. The absence of these findings suggests an overdose resulting in acute toxicity in this case.

2. Is it an accidental overdose?

Accident is favored for the following reasons:

a. The chloral hydrate level, definitively toxic and potentially lethal, would not be considered lethal in all cases, particularly in an individual who has developed some resistance to this drug through chronic use. It was lethal in this case, however, in combination with other prescription drugs.(note-It was lethal in this case, and was stated in interview with Greta, lethal dose of 2 ounces taken prior to her death. Who was the only one with her during this time frame? HKS stayed in suite of rooms, so wouldn't he have seen her getting bottle of CH out of duffle bag where he said it was being kept?)

b. If most cases of suicide, the victim ingests a large amount of a drug to insure death. The bottle found of chloral hydrate found near Miss Smith was only half empty.(note: Now the CH was found near Miss Smith, which is not mention and the scene report and was actually mentioned being in guestroom 609 and then later we are told per interview with Perper and Schueler, in a duffle bag.)

c. In many case of prescription drug overdose, multiple drug levels are elevated. In this case, all drugs except chloral hydrate are at therapeutic levels.(note: But what about the Benzodiazepines in combination: Parent/Drug - Clonazepam (Klonopin)0.04mg/L, Diazepam (Valium)0.21mg/L, Lorazepam (Ativan)22ng/mL, and Metabolites - Nordiazepam0.38mg/L, Temazepam0.09mg/L, and Oxazepam130ng/mL.)

d. Reports of suicidal ideation are vague and unsubstantiated. By many accounts, her mood had been improving over the past few months and she did not seem depressed in the days leading up to death.(note: Were ten different reasons listed, a.-j., under the question "1. Is it Suicide?")

e. A near drowning episode in a pool several months prior to death appears to have followed an accidental drug overdose rather than a suicidal act. Indeed, she thanked the individual who had resuscitated her rather than expressing consternation.(note: Now, here it is talked about in that this pool/ drowning incident was another accidental overdose, but under the question, "1. Is it Suicide?" item d, "There was a near-drowning episode several months ago which could be construed as a suicide attempt, however she thanked the person who revived her(see below).")

f. Miss Smith was likely not aware of the risks of using multiple drugs while in a physically vulnerable state consequent to her infections. In this instance, she may have over medicated herself with chloral hydrate to alleviate the symptoms of her infections.(note: She took the chloral hydrate, this time, out of the duffle bag and out of eyesight range of HKS who was supposedly monitoring her in-take of drugs from the duffle bag and was in the suite with her from 10:00-12:00?)

g. Miss Smith has a long history of prescription drug use and had undergone treatment in an in-patient rehabilitation center in the past. She was used to taking as much medicine as she wanted to and she had “over self-medicated” in the past.(note: Was she used to taking this much CH in one dose?)

h. Miss Smith had recently had a baby and, by some accounts, was planning another pregnancy and marriage in the near future. Further, she was about to make a music video and take a vacation to Dubai. This type of advance planning makes suicide less likely.(note: Now she is not having all the incidents of depression listed under "1. Is it Suicide?" items a-g and i? What evidence was given for this vacation to Dubai?)

i. There was no suicide note (though these are absent in many suicides) or recent statements to suggest suicidal ideation.(note: See items c,d and e under "1. Is it Suicide?")

j. There was no physical evidence or documented history in the medical records to support prior suicide attempts.(note:??-What was given above and taken as medical history for "1. Is it Suicide?"?)

k. Miss Smith’s obsession with Marilyn Monroe had waned somewhat over time.(note: Now ANS' obsession with MM had waned?)

l. Miss Smith sometimes drank her chloral hydrate out of the bottle making it difficult to determine the exact dosage ingested. On this trip, she had taken multiple doses of chloral hydrate in combination with her “usual” assortment of pills.(note:Interesting "fact" of Perper's based on witness interviews with whom, one of which was the one person that was in the suite when she took the lethal dose, but saw her ingest no drugs that morning?

Please note: This subject has been brought up for a matter of discussion with the group. It is posted as just some personal observations as related to this report. Just looking at these things that go to the determination of manner of death, A. The Exclusion of Homicide and B. Accident vs. Suicide and the final determination being accidental seems to based more heavily on what appears to be witness testimony, one of whom was in the suite with ANS during the ingestion of the lethal dose, and seems to be based less in scientific fact. Perhaps with further police investigation more scientific facts could be determined and the report would not have to be based as much on witness interviews. It seems, from this layperson's opinion, from this report that the scientific facts more readily support manner of death as being either suicide or homicide. It would also seem to this layperson that Cause of Death: Overdose with a determined Manner of Death: Accidental, might be a much more beneficial conclusion in the future than a determination of Manner of Death: suicide or homicide.

1,170 posted on 04/09/2007 6:38:07 PM PDT by justthinkin
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To: Lizarde
Ok, found your post, #810 on this thread.

List of topics you posted as possible ones for people on this thread to take and to collect info about and to be posted to with the key word from the list, right? Give me more details on what we need to do....while I study the list to make a choice.

1,171 posted on 04/09/2007 6:38:12 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

“I would like to ask other police investigators if they would have handled this death scene the same way. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn’t. It seemed lax to me.”

Yeah, doesn’t Nancy Grace or someone have some official police investigators on retainer who could comment on the laxity of this death scene situation?


1,172 posted on 04/09/2007 6:38:30 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: clouda

Meter maid! Just saw heather dance! or whatever she does!


1,173 posted on 04/09/2007 6:42:32 PM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: TexKat

. . .ignoring the flagrantly bogus use of the word “executor,” the part of the letter re . . . “ responsible for the theft of personal property of Ms. Smith and/or its unlawful use, sale or other misappropriation in the media.”

http://artharris.com/

Wow , Duh, so does this mean that Howie wants a portion of KE’s sale of the diaries and the self-portrait. Do I smell “feeding frenzy.”


1,174 posted on 04/09/2007 6:42:51 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: nynjanais; uncitizen

She mainly has attorneys on her program - as does Greta. They need to have retired police detectives - but I haven’t seen any if they have. Oh she also has ME’s - as we know, Wecht, Perper, and Baden. Of those 3, of course, Baden has been the best - the most unbiased, IMHO.


1,175 posted on 04/09/2007 6:42:56 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: nynjanais

Maybe, I think this is regarding the items allegedly taken from Horizons by Ford Shelley.


1,177 posted on 04/09/2007 6:44:06 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Sacajaweau

Gawd...I hope I don’t miss that one!!!

I’ll be screaming, “Get the Cracker in the Cracker!” LMAO!


1,179 posted on 04/09/2007 6:46:07 PM PDT by Luvlyness (IC Inquest Updates)
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To: justthinkin

Wow - excellent work...thanks.


1,180 posted on 04/09/2007 6:47:23 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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