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To: blueplum

“again, a maintenance methadone dose level would not have been sufficient reason for Anna to lose custody”

According to the typical operations of the children’s social services in California there was a strong likelihood it would have been or at minimum a reason to remove the child to LB’s custody temporarily with her having only visitations. The children’s social services do it all the time. They’re very very powerful in this way and no one - no attorney, no child expert, no psychiatrist or psychologist has any priority standing or sway in Family Court, a separate and unique animal. And the social workers LOVE to make an issue with celebrity parents on any point they can. That’s why most divorce attys do everything in their power to keep their clients out of the CPS and Family court. Once they’re in the maw of Family court, they’ve lost control. HKS would have known this from any of his legal buds.

It’s often not in the best interests of the child, but it doesn’t have to be. The court pretty much awards it’s decision making power to the investigating social workers... who are not the same as the “while they’re in the court” social worker, who is different from the “post court” compliance social worker. Maybe in your state it’s different. KE and HKS would have been keenly aware of this.

The machinery is that way b/c the drug babies are a big money maker for the state adoptions and foster care agencies. The state collects quite a bit of money on each drug baby they can remove. So even if they couldn’t have removed DL, the machinery is in place to really torture a celebrity family with alleged narcotic drug use and a suspicious death.

Also I think you’ve taken “forced withdrawal” too narrowly. I’m not saying that ONLY an agency was forcing it. “Circumstances” were forcing it and the following circumstances were relevent potential contributers to that sense of urgency, with the primary, NO. 1 circumstance being:

(1)I believe KE and HKS were running out of ways to “get” a large, reliable amount of methadone by prescription. After the business with being counseled by the pharmacy dept at USC, she would have known that she was, at minimum, being reported for investigation of her prescribing practices.

Their ability to obtain the stuff was forcing this. And how do you know ANS was keeping herself on any maintenance regimen? If supplies were limited, then she’d be using everything and there’d be little to none left for and minimial users in her entourage and that alone would cause sympathies to dry up. Additionally, I also believe what Sunday Gardner suggested, that the boat would enable them to get drugs in and out of the Bahamas.

(2) It seems that there were other situations where HKS would have been, or already had been, ordered to produce blood, if not for DNA or custody, then by CPS as someone with contact with the baby in a alleged drug involved home. Once any agency had blood, he’d have had his blood tested for drugs and if postive, he’d have been disbarred and have ceased to be useful to himself or to ANS. Plus if it were the previously mentioned CPS requesting his blood as a household member, well, they’re formidable. His stalling would have been registered as a non-compliant likely positive, b/c the machinery is set up to evaluate druggies who avoid testing all the time, and the social workers would have had a field day with that one.


7,682 posted on 04/23/2007 4:58:15 AM PDT by nynjanais
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To: nynjanais
there was a strong likelihood it would have been or at minimum a reason to remove the child to LB’s custody temporarily with her having only visitations. The children’s social services do it all the time......The state collects quite a bit of money on each drug baby they can remove.

For the sake of everyone's eyes, I'm going to answer your post in 3 parts, that way I won't get eggs thrown at me for hogging an entire page lol

If CPS removed children from the home of all parents taking RX painkillers (or "tying one on", on a Sat nite), or solely on the 'suspicion' of a jilted boyfriend or ex hubby or snoopy neighbor, there would be no children left in homes anywhere in America.

In California, CPS does NOT, take, newborn babies that test positive for illegal drugs. They used to, or threatened to, but quickly realized that policy did nothing but prevent mothers from seeking prenatal/medical care. And Anna's Methadone wasn't illegal.

I seriously don't know why, Anna was afraid to have her baby in California. Unless [someone] intentionally led her to believe....they took babies.

7,931 posted on 04/24/2007 12:21:36 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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To: nynjanais
part two)

So even if they couldn’t have removed DL, the machinery is in place to really torture a celebrity family with alleged narcotic drug use

lets' go back to September 07,'06. LB wants a drug test in addition to a DNA test. Had LB contacted Bahama CPS on Sep 7th? Let's say he did. So CPS trots over to the hospital - Well,

Anna had esteemed doctors standing by that would attest, sure, she was on methadone, and there might be traces in the baby...but

'so what?'

Her doctors would tell us Anna was prescribed an industry-accepted treatment for overwhelming pain. There was no sinister past of needles and spoons. It would have been harmful to the fetus and detrimental to the mother to deny her pain medication and she was on acceptable prescribed amounts. It's only the uninformed 'court of public opinion' that would view methadone as something dark and ugly.

The Court couldn't deny Anna her medication and wouldn't consider rumors from an unrelated individual. They would have to deal with concrete facts. Maybe they could probably order no breastfeeding, and they might have ordered a medical review of her pain management plan, but without any compelling evidence, and without proof that LB was even the father, what could they do?

On Sep 7, '06, Anna had two 24/7 nannies--she was self-imposing supervision on her own child care. ....She had a resident psychiatrist/doctor, in the form of Eroshevic....and a fiance/lawyer/babydaddy. Not your typical crackhead flophouse, either. What could CPS do?

On September 7th, LB was dead in the water. Still had no legal legs. He couldn't force Anna to return to the States to submit- she could stay away forever. OPRI had to 'appeal to the people' to put pressure on the Bahamas. Daniel hadn't died yet so there wasn't even suspicious circumstances. LB didn't know about the August clown-video. How could he? HK had it and it wasn't even released until Mar 07.

When Daniel died, LB hurt his own case when he told us right away 'danny stole drugs' and nobody could say for certain where the drugs came from, only that they were either OTC or prescription. LB wasn't accusing anyone - He wasn't pointing any fingers, even at Anna. So CPS would wait for the inquest. Daniel's death might might have helped LB's cause with CPS, but LB couldn't press it until the inquest concluded and neither could either the Bahama or California CPS

Anna, who had done so well being clean from Apr/May thru late Aug, who was relatively clean now, who was expecting her son to come home to her and change her life after a career-reviving stint with Trim-Spa, was "home free", on Sep 7th. Daniel died; an inquest was scheduled; An amazed Anna doubted the results and hired her own doctor; Anna accused HK at Daniel's funeral, and at home in front of the nannies - and the drugging of Anna began with drugs far beyond anything she'd ever done before at the same time ....all in pretty little paper cups.....

7,932 posted on 04/24/2007 3:27:53 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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To: nynjanais
tired yet? lol Part 3 of 3

I think you’ve taken “forced withdrawal” too narrowly. I’m not saying that ONLY an agency was forcing it. “Circumstances” were forcing it.....how do you know ANS was keeping herself on any maintenance regimen?

You see, I have a more positive view of Anna: IMO, Anna moved to the Bahamas to start a new life, without drugs, and was doing pretty good. She was successful again. She'd gotten face work, knocked a few years off. She had her movie coming out. She'd made new friends in G.Ben and the Coens, and in the Shelleys. Daniel liked them. She'd met the Gibsons before. Her old friends were being cut loose because Daniel wouldn't tolerate them. It was time for a change. A 'normal life', as she told Gina Shelley. We would have rolled our eyes and grinned when she and LB got back together after fighting like cats and dogs, or maybe they would have been friends.

Anna was on a lot less drugs when DL was born, than she was two months later, clown video aside. Why display a drugged-up Anna? She was in a bitter custody battle, LB was chomping on her heels, but there was her lawyer, sitting right next to her, coaching and posing her, when she should have been kept 'barricaded in the house' (and from the looks of her, probably wanted to be)?? Well, we learned later, she and her lawyer were fighting.

[someone] needed to pull some CYA moves, because Bahama jails just aren't that appealing, especially without Anna's funding; by mid-October, the 'honeymoon' was apparently over. In hindsight, it makes the November ET interviews a complete farce. [someone] got up from the ground at that funeral and put two and two together. Maybe one of those, I'm going down, so are you, everybody loses, kinda moments. Anna was being given pretty little drug cups - on the days she got less and had moments of clarity, she was given more little cups to muddle that clarity. After Daniel died, it wasn't advantageous for Anna to be sober anymore.

And that is why, I don't think the plan, was detox. Nobody cared about Feb 28th - and Miami was full of doctors to shop. Supply was a non-issue. The issue was the off-delayed inquest. It was Anna's credibility in the end that would matter. There was no way around the methadone or the drugs in Daniel's body. Anna wasn't the one who left that hospital room. The Bahamas weren't playing now. Anna was the only one with a valid excuse for the methadone and imo, she knew she didnt' have any pills in that room - Anna wanted [someone's] head to roll - she certainly wasn't going to see herself in jail, after all.

Of course, all of this is pure conjecture and speculation and may or may not apply to any specific people in the life of Anna.

7,949 posted on 04/24/2007 6:50:14 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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