Posted on 07/09/2007 1:32:44 PM PDT by JKrive
Click on my name and see just how much money we give the un.
He is.
>>Some of you can laugh at the fact this particular article came out in WND....but this info has been and is in dozens of other places...just go on Search and type in SPP or North American Union.....<<
I’m not laughing. That’s why I want somebody to ask the candidates questions about SPP.
How many members of Congress are in this Independent Task Force on the Future of North America? Zero? LOL!
Thanks for the ping. I’m copying KGG’s site for further reference & reading.
http://www.stopthenau.org/Current_Activities.htm
50 posted on 07/09/2007 6:50:52 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER ‘08)
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Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
We traced the call, it's coming from inside the house.
Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
Boy, I don't know which sentence is scarier.
Stop the North American Union is a great site.
Thanks for the link. It’s saved for reference.
Huh? Why is that funny? The Executive branch could implement a lot of it. Check out the recent goings-on in the DOT. But with respect to Congress, look at section 413 of the Immigration Bill that would be law if we hadn't screamed and hollared. Clearly, no member of Congress needs to be on the Task Force to get things implemented.
Because you're worried about a task force that has zero power.
Clearly, no member of Congress needs to be on the Task Force to get things implemented.
Let me guess, secret presidential orders?
Did you even read what I wrote?
If you go back to my original post, you will see the seven "lean" institutions the task force recommends and the influence they will have. As far as whether you believe they can be effective, history proves they can. This is the same group that pushed for NAFTA.
Hope you are correct.
But doubt it happens....
I met with my task force, at the bar last week. We said this will never happen.
As far as whether you believe they can be effective, history proves they can.
Which is why the NAU was secretly implemented in 1947.
This is the same group that pushed for NAFTA.
And we all know how badly all that trade, economic growth and low unemployment turned out.
Yep, absolutely correct. I see folks saying this about WND and have no idea why. Would they believe it more if it was coming from the NYT or WP? Geezzz! I would believe it LESS!
Ok. So now you changed your argument. Before you claimed it could never be implemented because the Task Force has no power. Now you are saying that it won't be bad if it is.
He is what William Weld, a member of the task force, said about implementation.
DEPALMA: If I can just ask Governor Weld, how you flip the situation around and get from the sort of top-down recommendations to some sort of a bottom-up demand for these changes— I mean, it’s one thing for the Task Force to suggest and recommend, but who out there is demanding that these things happen?
WELD: Well, there’s surely demand for spreading the benefits of economic development. There’s surely a demand for addressing the situation of unauthorized immigration, principally from Mexico and the United States now. That’s a huge issue in Washington. And in answer to your next previous question, I always said these dreadfully politically incorrect things even when I was in office. [Laughter] That’s why [inaudible] an enfant terrible. I declared— at one point, I declared myself a liberal on immigration and my interlocutor said, gasp, “What?” So it’s— my answer was: “Melting pot, love it or leave it, baby.” And that’s the divide that’s going on principally within the Republican Party right now between the social conservatives, to whom I had reference twice in my earlier remarks, and the enterprise wing of the Republican Party.
DEPALMA: But isn’t that wall a response to that bottom-up—
WELD: Oh, yeah. I mean, it’s— as I say, I think it’s just dead wrong. It has a constituency in the Congress, but if people who think it’s dead wrong don’t rear up on their hind legs and say so, it will get more momentum than it deserves, but I don’t think there’s going to be any problem getting these issues front and center in Washington, because they’re already there.
The task force has no power. My task force recommended tax rates be cut 50% across the board. Whooppee!
Now you are saying that it won't be bad if it is.
You think NAFTA, which was voted on by the House and Senate and then signed by the President is equivalent to what this thread is about.
Do you think NAFTA was bad for us? Why?
He is what William Weld, a member of the task force, said about implementation
You mean the powerful William Weld who couldn't get Senate approval to be ambassador to Mexico? Yeah, how many votes does he get in the House and Senate when he votes? Still zero?
Of course it is. Go back and read the third paragraph in the story. The President doesn't propose legislation and Congress doesn't write legislation in a vacuum. But let's see what John Manley, another member of the task force, had to say in 2005.
We made a number of important recommendations, I think. The key one is to think in terms of a security perimeter surrounding a zone of security. We make the point that it is important for all three governments to commit themselves to security within that zone, thereby alleviating some of the need to try to build barriers at our mutual borders. That implies a great many things. It implies greater cooperation between our security and intelligence agencies, exchange of information, assistance in keeping track of persons who may be security risks. It implies that we understand the nature of the goods and people that are coming into the continent. With respect to goods, it means cooperation with respect to the inspection of goods coming from overseas.
Sounds an awful lot like the language used by the proponents of the recent Immigration Bill. No wonder they don't want to build the wall. Manley's language is almost identical to language on the SPP website, which is a White House sponsored site. Obviously, the members of this task force have a little more clout than you and your drinking buddies.
bumping; back later to read fully. ty for the ping!
Hmmm...
WELD: Well, I sort of agree with what Pedro said about telling the truth as a way to getting to solve the puzzle. I mean, in the political dimension, I would say the answer to your question is we have to encourage members of Congress to stop waving the bloody shirt, by which I mean thinly disguised appeals to xenophobia. I would trust the Bush administration to be on the right side of virtually all of these issues. I’ve discussed them with then-Governor Bush. He and I and Governor [James] Hunt [D-N.C.] of North Carolina, when Congress refused to go along with the peso loan guarantee matter in February of 1995, the governors were meeting in Washington at that week and Bush and I and Hunt circulated a petition which was signed by all 50 governors calling on President [Bill] Clinton, who was not a member of Bush’s and my party, “Please do this administratively,” and he did it in about one day.
Sounds like he has some sway. At the very least, he seems confident that the Bush administration agrees with the Task Force already.
And then there is this from Mr. Weld:
And on the immigration point specifically, we recommended the development of a North America preference, which would make it easier for employees to move and employers to recruit across borders within the continent. We recommended the expansion of temporary migrant-worker programs that are already existing, and for me at least, legislation along the lines recently filed by Senator [John] McCain [R-Ariz.]. The [inaudible] visa could be part of the solution as well. I think everyone agrees that Mexican immigrants in this country and in Canada are very hard-working, they’re very devout. As a political matter, I would think that social conservatives in the United States should welcome the normalization of their very substantial contributions to the economic and political life of the United States.
It comes out of Weld's mouth in 2005 and out of Bush's in 2007.
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