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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Spoiler Alert!!)
07/11/07 | Dianna

Posted on 07/11/2007 12:44:49 AM PDT by Dianna

Please DO NOT read this thread if you have not seen the movie. Even if you have read this book, topics under discussion can affect what you will expect in the last book.

Several pet theories for the Deathy Hallows have, perhaps, been laid to rest by the release of this movie. A number of plot points I had thought were important to the end of the series were completely left out of Order of the Phoenix.

1. There is absolutely NO reference to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place. Thus, any speculation about the locket horcrux being hoarded by Kreacher must be false.

2. The prophecy was never heard in full. The portion of the prophecy which could have referred to Neville instead of Harry was omitted.

3. There was no mention of Percy's estrangement from his family. Percy was shown at Fudge's side at important points, but unless his face was remembered from previous movies, people not reading the book may not have caught that.

There were two plot changes which puzzled me. Cho was the one who gave Dumbledore's Army away, not the unimportant character of Marietta. Also, Sirius, before he falls through the veil calls Harry, "James". I assume these changes have a point, but I don't know what.

There was also no reference to Hermione and Ron being Prefects. There was no Quidditch at all, so Ron would not be on the team.


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To: Cymbaline
Hagrid’s COMC class isn’t shown, so it’s Luna who tells Harry about the Thestrals.

Yeah, and riding the Thestrals to the MoM is sort of out of the blue. If I hadn't read the book I'd be lost there.

Other than that you note the same things that jarred for me.

OTOH, Umbridge was very good, I would have had her just a hair more cloyingly sweet, and Luna was darn near perfect.

and was it just me or did Harry's glasses lack lenses in about half the scenes?

101 posted on 07/11/2007 2:58:57 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: Revolting cat!
What I want to know is why in all these movies none of the characters is ever shown going to the bathroom and doing the usual business there, number 1 or number 2?

Because it pisses off Moaning Myrtle, DUH!

102 posted on 07/11/2007 3:00:28 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: Sloth
St. Mungos -- that reminds me, is there much of Neville in the movie?

Yes. He does well. (I think he and Luna are going to be an Item)...

103 posted on 07/11/2007 3:01:45 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Haven’t seen the movie yet... must not read... arggh!

Ping.

tee hee hee

104 posted on 07/11/2007 3:02:57 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: retrokitten

I hope you can get an autograph. Their characters are so much fun. :)


105 posted on 07/11/2007 3:11:12 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: grellis
I haven't seen the film version of OOtP yet--is there any mention made of Montague being trapped in the cabinet?

I was surprised that Umbridge asked for students to volunteer to be members of the Inquisitorial Squad.

Didn't see enough of them in action to make it worth shoving Montague into the cabinet.

There are going to be far more nuances and outright clues in the books than in the movies, or the movies would run to ten hours apiece.

The whole thing really should have been done as a TV series, at the rate of 2-3 years per season there would have been enough time to do it justice.

106 posted on 07/11/2007 3:16:17 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: balch3
I think people shouldn’t be encouraging children to get involved in the occult.

And still madrassas are springing up all over the world...

107 posted on 07/11/2007 3:18:00 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: js1138
The people involved in the movies are mostly hopeless liberals, but I had to smile at the giant "W" toward the end of the movie.

DANG!

Good spotting! *slaps forehead*

108 posted on 07/11/2007 3:19:10 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: null and void

Didn’t you know that Wiccans worship the horned god of the hunt? James Potter could turn into a stag and Harry’s patronus is a stag, therefore Harry Potter is the DEVIL!


109 posted on 07/11/2007 3:22:39 PM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Who are you and what have you done with Hermione Granger?")
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To: dragonblustar
That could be. I just remember reading in the first part of the book where it said the American leader was horrible. Or something to that effect. It’s been a while, I should go reread it to be sure.

In one of the books, the PM is waiting for a call from the President, and has some very uncomplementary comments about said gentleman.

There was an FR thread about it, turns out it was written during the clinton administration, but published early in the Bush administration...

110 posted on 07/11/2007 3:29:05 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: CholeraJoe

No, he’s the son of the Debbil. (Didn’t you see “Little Nicky”?)...


111 posted on 07/11/2007 3:32:36 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: Blue Eyes
One question I have regarding the movies is whether JK Rowling has approved the scripts and the changes from the books. If so, then the details that are omitted or changed in the movies must not be crucial to the last book; if not, then I wonder how the last couple of movies will be able to get to the conclusion of the stories if important details have been changed in previous movies.

This was the primary reason for my thread. Either the last two movies will be a complete mess in terms of storyline OR fans are way, way off base in predicting important plot lines.

JK Rowling has said that Harry having Lily's eyes is important but that has also been fairly well ignored in the movie.

112 posted on 07/11/2007 3:34:29 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: null and void

The people involved in the movies are mostly hopeless liberals, but I had to smile at the giant “W” toward the end of the movie.
DANG!

Good spotting! *slaps forehead*

please freepmail me and tell me what you mean, if you don’t mind...:)


113 posted on 07/11/2007 3:35:07 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: CholeraJoe
If there’s no quidditch in “Half-Blood Prince” either (as Dan Radcliffe has said in an interview) how do Harry and Ginny get together?

Maybe they won't if that isn't absolutely essential the the story ending?

114 posted on 07/11/2007 3:35:29 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: null and void

Oh you tease you..... my son and I hooped and hollered over that part of the book....

(and McGonagall giving Peeves directions was a gutbuster too...)


115 posted on 07/11/2007 3:35:34 PM PDT by schwing_wifey (Lily was mistaken..The Borg are Swedish..Resistance is Futile.....)
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To: Xenalyte
Does Sirius specifically call Harry “James”, or is he calling to Harry’s father?

The best I can say now is that my impression at the time was that he was talking to Harry. It wasn't a random shout out of "James". I believe Sirius and Harry wre talking.

116 posted on 07/11/2007 3:37:38 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: schwing_wifey

Tease? Moi????


117 posted on 07/11/2007 3:38:57 PM PDT by null and void (...and there'd be world peace and fuzzy puppies for everyone. And then we could eat them...)
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To: Dianna
I think the Cho instead of Marietta thing was minor. In the book, Harry breaks up with Cho later anyway, so it's a moot point. They also didn't show Harry and the Weasley kids going to St. Mungo's, where the others found out about Neville's parents. Kreacher wasn't fully 'realized' either, since Harry didn't try to contact Sirius before going to the Ministry.

Likely the locket will be introduced later, if it is important to the outcome of the series. I'm just now re-reading "Half Blood Prince", in anticipation of the new book, so I'll be paying closer attention to the whole horcrux thing.

I thought it was interesting that they went through the entire year and never even mentioned Quidditch ONCE! I enjoyed the movie, though I thought it started off rather slow. I loved Imelda Staunton as Umbridge; she displayed suitable creepy-sweetness, which morphed into downright meanness! I'm glad they brought in the centaurs later in the movie, and had them carry her off, even if they didn't follow up on the whole 'Firenze as Divination teacher' plot line.

118 posted on 07/11/2007 3:42:44 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: schwing_wifey

That by far was one of the best scenes of the book, I also liked the scene where Umbridge and Ron are both in the medical wing of school and he does the clipclopping sound and she becomes startled. That was cute. :)


119 posted on 07/11/2007 3:43:48 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: balch3
I think people shouldn’t be encouraging children to get involved in the occult.

Me too. That's why I Dream Of Jeanie and Bewitched are banned at my house.

Geez!

120 posted on 07/11/2007 3:44:07 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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