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FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread 12

Posted on 08/07/2007 7:33:14 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

The FreeRepublic Saddle Club - (very out of date) Who's Who *pics*

This is a horse chat thread where we share ideas, ask for input from other horsemen, and talk about our riding and horse-keeping. We have a lot of different kinds of riders and horses, and a lot to share, usually about our horses, sometimes about our dogs, gardens and other stuff we do. :~)

I have a ping list for horse threads that are of interest, and MissTargets will ping everyone most mornings. Let MissTargets and/or me know if you would like to be on the ping list.

So... like the previous threads, this is intended as fun place to come and share stories, pictures, questions and chit-chat, unguided and unmoderated and that we come together here as friends.

Previous threads:

The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread - thread ONE
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread - Thread TWO!
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread - Thread THREE!
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread FOUR
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread FIVE
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread SIX
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread SEVEN
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread EIGHT
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread NINE
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread TEN
The FreeRepublic Saddle Club thread! - Thread 11

New folk and occasional posters, jump right in and introduce yourselves, tell us about your horses, and post pictures if you've got them!


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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; CindyDawg; AnAmericanMother; Endeavor; cjshapi; 3catsanadog; Grammy; ...

Hay here this year is going to be $235 a ton, about 17 bales per ton. That’s $14 per bale for alfalfa hay. Grass hay is a good bit more per bale. An average bale will last an average horse 4-5 days. To buy enough hay to get the horses we have through until next hay season will be $10,000. We can not afford that, period. And that doesn’t include the cost of the additional grain that they get.

Prez has not been able to have hay or alfalfa cubes for several years due to his choke. He is fed senior feed, alfalfa pellets and beet pulp twice a day. Health wise, weight and looks - he looks as good or better than any of the other horses.

The other horses get grain and hay, hay twice a day and grain once or twice, depending on who it is. Those working hard and babies and mares lacating get it twice a day. Their hay ration at each feeding lasts about 1 hour. Essentially, then, they have 2 hours per day that they spend eating. We have only dry lot here - no grass or pasture at all (we’re in the high desert.)

So - we are considering switching everyone to a complete feed, with additional alfalfa pellets and beet pulp, until we can sell or give away most of the horses. Either that, or declare bankruptcy right now :) We are feeding eleven horses right now. We plan on keeping only two of them.

Anyway, I know Becky feeds only complete feed with great success. I’d appreciate any opinions, pro or con - or any suggestions - or anyone else’s experience feeding only complete feed. And, thanks everyone.


9,301 posted on 06/28/2008 8:37:13 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47
I have never fed a complete feed, but I am sure it would work out ok. You would just have to acclimate them slowly, I would imagine.

Hay will be very expensive here also. Not only the price of fuel, but it has been raining almost every day for the last week or so. No one has been baling. We have enough for a week :(

Its funny that the grass hay would be more than the alfalfa. Opposite in these parts.

9,302 posted on 06/28/2008 9:28:16 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: MissTargets

I think that’s why so many people here in the west feed alfalfa. We were surprised when we moved out here because in NC, grass is also much cheaper than alfalfa. This is alfalfa county though. Alfalfa/grass mix runs about $2 more per bale than straight alfalfa and straight grass is $4-6 per bale more. The really odd thing too is that so much grass is wasted by the horses or blown away in the wind. Really bad hay, mostly weeds and stickers and not even good for cattle is $10 per bale.

The price increase is outrageous though. We paid about $6000 for hay last year. That was 42 ton and too expensive then.


9,303 posted on 06/28/2008 9:41:38 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47

Our grass hay is about $15 a bale now, but we aren’t feeding as many. Right now I’m only feeding hay one meal a day and I might be able to get away with none, I just like to draw them in to the paddock at night. I think it’s gas prices coming from Eastern Wa, I think our crop should be good.


9,304 posted on 06/28/2008 9:43:49 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Duchess47

But on your main question, I think Becky’s your gal... it’s been working for her for some time now. I think she likes them to have a little forage, but you might be able to get away with far less hay, if you can’t eliminate it altogether.


9,305 posted on 06/28/2008 9:45:05 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Duchess47

Alfalfa is a couple bucks cheaper than grass here too...


9,306 posted on 06/28/2008 9:46:29 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

I keep thinking that if we switch them gradually there shouldn’t be any problems but I don’t know. Bob thinks that feeding just concentrated feed without hay will increase the likelihood of colic. I don’t think Becky has had any problems with it though unless Rocky cribbing is related. Indy will crib given half a chance and he’s had hay his whole life along with his grain.


9,307 posted on 06/28/2008 9:51:55 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Thanks for pinging me!

Here in south-central Texas I am paying $7 for grass hay p[er bale, $70 per round bale and $12 for alfalfa.

We have had a horrible dry winter and no rain in sight.

I am putting a round bale on my pasture since they have about devoured everything on 30 acres, 2 horses and 1 donkey.


9,308 posted on 06/28/2008 10:02:59 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb

Boy, I’d give my right arm just about for prices like that again. :) A couple of years ago we were paying $7 per bale for alfalfa.


9,309 posted on 06/28/2008 10:12:43 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47
OMG on your hay prices!

We pay 25. or 40. per round bale @ 1200 lbs. It's all good hay, farmers keep it inside.

9,310 posted on 06/28/2008 10:24:26 AM PDT by mommadooo3 (Old concept in justice. If the law won't take care of it, it's just us.)
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To: mommadooo3

LOL - my thoughts exactly. Nobody around here even puts up round bales. A lot of our hay is going out of state I think, and farmers are citing fuel prices as a reason for the increase in price but I don’t think that really accounts for the large increase. If I’m understanding correctly, the cost of delivery is $25 per ton, versus $20 per ton last year. So over 3-4 years, hay has doubled in price but delivery costs have not.

I know the state has paid some not to grow this year, citing water conservation, but it sure seems like farmers are price gouging. I know it’s led to a lot of free horses, $500 horses, and horses just turned loose to fend for themselves (which is not possible in this area).


9,311 posted on 06/28/2008 10:55:28 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Your hay prices are shocking!We have been selling top quality Timothy hay and orchard grass for 4-6 dollars a bale and I feel guilty charging that price.Our fertilizer cost 752 dollars a ton and diesel fuel is 4.28 a gallon,so I’m not exactly getting rich here either....

Rains every other day here so I have not baled for 2 and a half weeks,got to make another 70 acres to finish.


9,312 posted on 06/28/2008 10:59:39 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Farmer Dean

Well, I’m in the part of the country that grows trees, not hay. It has to be trucked across the mountains. We do get some local hay but it’s usually pretty low quality and light bales. The Eastern WA Orchard grass we’re buying are at least good, heavy 110 pound bales. A bale would last six days to a week if I was just feeding one horse.


9,313 posted on 06/28/2008 11:26:19 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Farmer Dean

So - how close do you live to me :)


9,314 posted on 06/28/2008 12:36:51 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Farmer Dean; MissTargets

You two need to talk :) You’re both in the same part of this great country I think.


9,315 posted on 06/28/2008 1:15:58 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47; Farmer Dean; HairOfTheDog
You’re both in the same part of this great country

Both Ohio, but I think Farmer is on the West side of the State. I am in the North East, close to PA line.

Hay is anywhere from $2.50 to $3.00/bale. Not sure if that is last years or not. It has been raining all over the State. We use about 400 bales with four head and feed hay year round.

I heard of a couple of horses that were left, at one of the horsemans camps. That's crazy!

9,316 posted on 06/28/2008 2:37:52 PM PDT by MissTargets
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To: Duchess47
We paid about $6000 for hay last year

Dang girl, no wonder you cant retire!

9,317 posted on 06/28/2008 2:42:15 PM PDT by MissTargets
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To: MissTargets

Exactly. Once you add in grain, supplements, shots, wormings and farrier, the horses take my whole paycheck. In fairness though, five years ago it took us less money to feed 22 horses than it’s costing now for the 11.


9,318 posted on 06/28/2008 3:28:50 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: MissTargets

I’m not sure what happened but I’m glad you are ok.


9,319 posted on 06/28/2008 5:59:55 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: MissTargets
I'm in northern Ashland county,zip code 44880.If I can help anyone with some hay-let me know.people are trying to get rid of horses all over the place.I just had a hay customer of mine give me a quarter horse this year.Nice little foundation mare out of New Mexico,about 5 years old.She came to him with an implanted Arab embryo.He paid 35K for the embryo and a thousand bucks deposit for the mare.He liked the mare and didn't want to send her back so he asked me if I wanted her.Beckie(my wife) said it was up to me,so I asked Dan how much he wanted and he said just give her a good home!She settled right in,claimed the number 2 position in the herd.My mare Star is not going to give up that number one spot.So we're back to 7 in the barn,about 2 years after I lost my beloved mare Maggie.
9,320 posted on 06/28/2008 6:49:09 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’m hearing stories like that out here alot. Some folks a couple of miles away were begging people to take their pregnant mare - they were being evicted. And animal control has two horses found just walking down the highway, skin and bones. It really is heartbreaking.


9,321 posted on 06/28/2008 8:24:26 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: CindyDawg
Hey Cindy! Long time no see. How ya doin?

The story about MT is back here. and the follow-up picture is here.

9,322 posted on 06/29/2008 5:56:32 AM PDT by FrogInABlender
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To: CindyDawg
And if you missed the story about MT the first time around, you probably missed the story and pics about our last trail ride. They start here and run through around post 9192.
9,323 posted on 06/29/2008 6:07:42 AM PDT by FrogInABlender
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To: Duchess47

I have fed Horse Chow 100 to all the horses I have had for the last 15 years. The few colics we have dealt with were never in relation to the feed. Rocky’s cribbing is not related to the feed. He came to us already cribbing, I believe it started from boredom from being kept stalled, now it’s habit.

I do divide their daily ration into 3 feedings, but 2 will work also. I also try to keep a bit of forage growing in my pasture or give them tiny amounts of hay in the winter for mental happiness more then for nutrition.

IMO, feeding a complete feed will give the horse better “balanced” nutrition, and I have come to believe that balance is the key.


9,324 posted on 06/29/2008 6:18:24 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Duchess47

I meant to add in my last post, that the Horse Chow I use has almost doubled tho here this past year:(...I’m paying $11.50 a bag now...can’t imagine what it would be for you since it was so much higher there even when it was cheap here. That was one reason I sent Harley to my kids...cheaper to feed him there where he has pasture.


9,325 posted on 06/29/2008 6:21:57 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: HairOfTheDog; All

Well, the Festival is over, it was fun, but I’m glad it’s over:)

One interesting situation: You know we’ve had a lot of trouble with people parking in our lot that shouldn’t. We try to be civic minded and cooperate I allowed a semi-trailer to be parked at the end of a lot for a stage for bands, but the spaces along the curb that front Jenny’s and the newspapers business we keep people run out of unless they are doing business with them. Their customers need to be able to park there.

For the festival we had signs that it was a private lot for the businesses, we coned off spaces for my family, and for the people who work for the hamburger place. Needless to say given human nature we still had problems:) Yesterday morning when I got there at 7:30 in the morning the cones on MY space, LOL, and one other that was for my family.had been moved and a truck parked there. I was tried and a bit cranky, and I got pi$$ed. There was a marathon race going on that was just finishing up. Before I could phone the police, one of the runners, a woman, showed up that owned the truck that was in my space:)....

I told her she need to “get it moved”...she said, I was running....I said, I don’t care what you were doing, get it moved...a few more excuses from her, with me answering, I don’t care why, GET IT MOVED...she finally said, you could have asked nicely...I said I DID, WHEN I PUT THE CONE THAT YOU MOVED AT THE END OF THE SPACE, GET IT MOVED NOW!!!. LOL...I think my frustration at the whole situation showed up. She moved but that left one car still there. Fri. we had some idiot pull in with a 42 foot long RV and tried to park across the spaces by the curb in front of Jenny’s and the newspapers. They were the band that was going to use the stage that we had on the lot, so they thought they were entitled I guess, givev an inch they want a mile...gggrrrrrrrrrrrr....I let them use the lot for the stage which took up 4 spaces....

Anyway, then I flagged a cop down and asked if they could do something...since it was a private lot they couldn’t, but (this is what surprised me), the cops, several of them, was really pushing me to have it towed. They said, quote, “we hate guys like that”...that would move cones and ignore signs. I really thought the police would feel I was being petty, and that I should just ignore it. But they were very supportive and understanding of how frustrating the situation was.

I heard from the lady who owns the hamburger place that she heard a conversation between some people complaining to police about our coning spaces...the police said, it’s a private lot they can do what they want. So that was good to know that they would be supportive, altho they can’t do anything.

But it was a battle all weekend to keep the spaces for the businesses and ourselves open. People can sure be rude.


9,326 posted on 06/29/2008 6:47:51 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: HairOfTheDog; All

Oh, and the guy who runs the corn booth, cooks corn on the cob to sell...(and remember we’ve told this guy for the last 3 years he can’t park in our lot)...pulled into our lot in a truck and long flat bed trailer, and MOVED one of our cement bumpers that outline the back edge of our lot so he could park there and not have his trailer sticking out so far....I couldn’t believe it....that’s how bad it gets. LOL...just thought I’d pass this incident on too, in case anyone here thought we were petty or selfish:)


9,327 posted on 06/29/2008 6:58:34 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Thanks. We are going to gradually change everyone over, meanwhile, selling or giving away as many as we can. One of our vets came out yesterday to visit. She said her brother raises beef cattle but is now considering selling them all and switching his land to hay production. She’s got some pasture about forty miles away that she offered to put some of our horses on but since they’ve never had pasture, I think it would probably cause a lot of problems. We would’nt be able to introduce them gradually to it.


9,328 posted on 06/29/2008 7:01:32 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

I don’t think you’re being petty at all. We have problems here (minor) whenever there is a horse show across the street with trucks and trailers parking on our side - horses eating our trees, driveways blocked. I can get really nasty about it - why do people feel they have the right to infringe on my property?


9,329 posted on 06/29/2008 7:06:17 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47

Suddenly putting horses out on pasture when they aren’t use to it could present problems...

But I will tell you, long time ago, when we brought in a new horse I did the feed change gradually, but now I don’t. They start getting horse chow immediately when I bring in a new one and I’ve never had a problem. I really believe that with complete feed, with all the roughage in it, it makes changing them over easier. Altho it’s not in it’s “natural” form it is more natural then a bucket of grain, and given that switching them too it is not a problem.


9,330 posted on 06/29/2008 7:11:50 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Duchess47

Well, our lot would just be torn up if we didn’t police it. It’s amazing the truck drivers of semis and dump trucks, knowing the weight of their trucks, and what that does to asphalt lots, will pull in to park across numerous spaces, in front of businesses just to go eat at the hamburger place. AHHHHHHHH...lol...it gets very frustrating, and mostly because when you try to be nice about it and explain, they get nasty, I guess because they see you as being weak...I’ve discovered it’s best just to go out, say, you can’t park there, get it moved, and walk away. I don’t owe them an explaination, or reason. I’m going to look like the bad guy to them anyway, might as well have the satisfaction of being as rude as they are:)


9,331 posted on 06/29/2008 7:16:36 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: CindyDawg
Thanks Janis.

I took a fall on Tuesday.

9,332 posted on 06/29/2008 7:40:55 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Aw geeze. People! I like that “I did ask nicely when I put the cone up!” LOL!

When I was in college in Ellensburg, I lived just across the street from the rodeo grounds. The Ellensburg rodeo is a big one. I went home that weekend the first year and came back and my front lawn was completely torn up from people parking there.

The next year, I stayed that weekend and put up a sign and charged them all $5. :~)


9,333 posted on 06/29/2008 7:43:56 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Thanks - that’s good to know.

Yeh - my statement is move it or get it towed. I just stopped being nice.


9,334 posted on 06/29/2008 7:45:06 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: HairOfTheDog

LOL - that’s an idea, might pay for my hay :)


9,335 posted on 06/29/2008 7:46:14 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47

Well, that was about 1987 prices... it would probably be $10 now... :~)


9,336 posted on 06/29/2008 7:53:11 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Farmer Dean
I'm in northern Ashland county

A little far (about 75 miles) to haul hay for me, but if we get desperate, I will let you know.

You live in a very pretty part of the State. I have ridden at Mohican and Malabar. The OHC is working on a trail to connect the two parks. That will make it really nice, as Mohican does not have a horse camp and Malabar does.

Do you belong to any of the OHC chapters? Ashland County used to have a very active one.

9,337 posted on 06/29/2008 8:11:27 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
the police said, it’s a private lot they can do what they want.

Good for them. Too bad the rest of the people do not respect that.

Other then the parking trouble, did you enjoy the festival?

9,338 posted on 06/29/2008 8:13:44 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Bob would like to know if the feed is Purina, if you know off hand what the protein count is, and how much you feed to a 1000lb horse? Nothing like lots of questions first thing in the morning huh?


9,339 posted on 06/29/2008 8:16:59 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Duchess47

It is Purina, I believe HC 100 is 10% protein...HC also comes in 200, and 300 ...each one the protein goes up.
According to the package you feed 1 1/2 to 2 lbs of feed per 100lbs of horse...I have found it doesn’t take that much really, a lot depends on what the horse is doing. Even when I was conditioning horses, riding a lot, they very seldom need even the 1 1/2 ration amount. As you do, I believe a good worming routine is key to not having to feed so much. Worming properly saves money in the long run.


9,340 posted on 06/29/2008 11:24:56 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: HairOfTheDog

We thought about selling tickets a week before the festival, for a drawing, for the available spaces we had:)


9,341 posted on 06/29/2008 11:27:28 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: MissTargets

Yes I did enjoy the festival...We had lots of company at the office, ate lots of good carnival food:), and the kids got to ride rides, race turtles, and play non stop for 3 days...I truly do not know how the little ones were continuing to go yesterday...they never stopped.


9,342 posted on 06/29/2008 11:29:57 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: MissTargets; FrogInABlender

Thanks. I figured you unexpectedly dismounted but I couldn’t find a post about why. I’ve got to keep up better around here:’)


9,343 posted on 06/29/2008 1:33:46 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

There ya go... There’s got to be at least a way to make a buck from it. Heck... as central as your building is to the festival! it’s prime location, right? :~)


9,344 posted on 06/29/2008 1:33:57 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Is your kitty still missing? :~\


9,345 posted on 06/29/2008 1:34:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Thank you very much. We just got home from a 3 hour round trip to deliver Lucky. Coming down our road, Bob said, I really wish you would ask Becky etc. etc. to which I replied, I already did :) He has the information in his hands now.

Off to can mangos and salsa (I have a box of mangos, a box of tomatillos, a bag of peppers and a box of tomatoes) all of which have maybe one more day before they are too far gone.


9,346 posted on 06/29/2008 2:04:50 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Yes he is.


9,347 posted on 06/29/2008 2:29:01 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Oh - I’m sorry. He’s never done this before?


9,348 posted on 06/29/2008 2:40:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Nope never has.

I just hope whatever happened it was quick.


9,349 posted on 06/29/2008 2:53:31 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Oh - I do too... or he comes back. Cartman disappeared for 2 months once, and came back. A little thinner, a few battle scars, but no worse for wear. Who knows where he was.


9,350 posted on 06/29/2008 3:27:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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