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Jon Stewart: MSNBC Now the Same as FOX
AOL News ^ | 12-02-2008

Posted on 12/02/2008 10:50:23 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

On last night's "Daily Show", Jon Stewart took aim at MSNBC for the network's continued slide toward what he sees as the same partisan cheerleading that one has witnessed over the past eight years at FOX News. Watch:

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=210922

While many liberals have hailed the rise of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow as a long-overdue cable news counterweight to their ideological rivals on FOX, others, like Stewart, bemoan the further blurring of the line between news and commentary. The latter group decries the loss of objectivity in journalism. Left or right, it matters not who commits this crime. What's important is keeping the news, for lack of a better phrase, fair and balanced.

Somehow lost in this discussion is the fact that Bill O'Reilly and Olbermann are not news anchors, they are commentators. Sean Hannity and Rachael Maddow play different roles on television than do Katie Couric and Brian Williams. Really, the bloviating commentators who dominate the screen time at MSNBC and FOX, are nothing more than glorified bloggers. They have been hired to stir controversy and generate ratings. And guess what? They're popular.

For his part, when it comes to media critiques, Jon Stewart has always enjoyed having his cake while eating it, too. His show, after all, is based largely on political commentary, but with laughter, rather than angry rants, as its foundation. In fact, "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report" exist on the same plane with "Hannity and Colmes" and the like, albeit at a different end of the aesthetic spectrum. When Stewart famously launched his takedown of CNN's "Crossfire," an incredulous Tucker Carlson demanded to know why he went easy on his Democratic guests (including John Kerry). His response? It's not his responsibility to play the journalist.

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1 posted on 12/02/2008 10:50:23 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

As slanted as John Stewart is in his own beliefs, I have admired him for putting Newt on the air and also for calling the media on their stupidity some times.


2 posted on 12/02/2008 10:51:44 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: My Favorite Headache

No, Fox News is the mirror of CNN.

MSNBC is a cartoon network.


3 posted on 12/02/2008 10:56:30 AM PST by NeoCaveman (posting from the office of the bitter clingers)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Why is it every relatively successful comedian wants to be Hamlet?

Shut up, Jon. You are the second biggest hypocrite on cable, after Bill Maher.


4 posted on 12/02/2008 10:58:03 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Oh goody. Now that the American sheeple have elected a marxist crackhead terrorist lover as President, lil’ Johnny Leibowitz decides to name names.


5 posted on 12/02/2008 10:58:27 AM PST by exile (I will NOT submit.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Who cares what Jon Stewart thinks?


6 posted on 12/02/2008 10:58:52 AM PST by frogjerk (Welcome|Goodbye to|from Free|Fairness Doctrine Republic!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
The last study I saw said that Fox's NEWS division was Centrist, its editorial division was, of course, conservative. The rest of the MSM's NEWS divisions were Left of center.

For MSNBC to be another Fox, they'd have to turn way towards the right.

7 posted on 12/02/2008 10:58:57 AM PST by Paradox (When the left have no one to villainize, they'll turn on each other.)
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To: Badeye

Bingo. If MSNBC is left and FOX is right does Stewart think that puts him somewhere in the middle? I’d argue he’s still left of center...


8 posted on 12/02/2008 10:59:00 AM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

The fact that anyone gives a crap about what Jon Stewart says, and treats his mutterings as newsworthy, is indicative of the gross stupidity of the American populace that has given us Obama.


9 posted on 12/02/2008 10:59:11 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Stewart is right about MSNBC, but even a stopped clock can get things right a couple of times. But there was a study (by Pew, I think, no conservatives they) that showed that Fox was easily the most balanced of the news networks during the recent campaign. But even if Fox weren't that balanced, who cares? We need a counterbalance to the rampant liberalism of the other news outlets, which is heavily skewed towards the liberal viewpoint. But I guess the liberal worldview doesn't allow for conservative opinions.
10 posted on 12/02/2008 11:01:41 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (Enjoying the final death throes of the dinosaur media.)
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To: NeoCaveman
No, Fox News is the mirror of CNN.

MSNBC is a cartoon network.

I agree with the first part, but I think MSNBC is more like the liberal equivalent of talk radio. Air America may not have succeeded, but Air Olberman/Maddow has.

11 posted on 12/02/2008 11:01:47 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Stewart is full of cr@p.

The men and women at Fox are ordinary Americans and look at the world the way ordinary Americans do. This can lead to an appearance of bias to the lefties but it is just an appearance.

Olberman on the other hand is a deranged America hater and always has been. His slant is intentional.

12 posted on 12/02/2008 11:03:25 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: NeoCaveman
No, Fox News is the mirror of CNN.

Disagree. Fox is far more tabloid than CNN. It's because Murdoch is involved.
13 posted on 12/02/2008 11:04:42 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Badeye

I agree. Jon Stewart is a jerk.


14 posted on 12/02/2008 11:07:29 AM PST by brivette
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To: My Favorite Headache

This is a typical leftist false-premise hit piece. If you want to say that commentators O’Reilly and Olbermann are opposite sides of the same coin, okay. But to equate Fox’s news coverage with MSNBC’s is laughable. Fox does a great job of balancing its newscasts while MSNBC is partisan-left all the way.


15 posted on 12/02/2008 11:08:02 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: brivette

I caught his exchange with Begala and Tucker Carlson on CNN a couple of years ago. I couldn’t help but wonder why he went on CNN if that was how he felt, then it dawned on me he did so just to produce some ‘bonafides’ for his young non voting audience.

Thats how shallow the man is.


16 posted on 12/02/2008 11:12:01 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Stewart is merely firing a shot across the bow of M(isery)SNBC, they are the “new” target of his show, which makes sense, there really is no Republican or Conservative Structures to satirize.

So out with Hume, O’Reily and Hannity, and in with Olbermann, Madcow and The Tingle...


17 posted on 12/02/2008 11:19:25 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Jibaholic

That is an excellent observation. The libs turn to Olbermann like we turn to Rush.

Thing is, you have to be REALLY nutty/nasty to like Olbermann and Rush appeals to the mainstream, when they take a chance and listen.

I have a superlib family, and I was listening to Rush one day when one of them walked in. He turned and said, I agree with that guy. *Choke* (Rush was talking about borders).


18 posted on 12/02/2008 11:23:00 AM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: I still care

You make a good point. For all the demonizing about talk radio, they are much more reasonable (read: centrist) than liberals give them credit for. Olberman has more in common with Severin or Savage than he does with Rush.


19 posted on 12/02/2008 11:28:09 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: mysterio

...Disagree. Fox is far more tabloid than CNN. It’s because Murdoch is involved...

I couldn’t agree more. Let me preface this by saying “I hate CNN,” but FNC is almost unwatchable. Between the obnoxious on-screen graphics and some of the incredibly unimportant National Enquirer-esque stories that they have on, it has almost no “serious news.” Say what you want about CNN (and you can say plenty), at least it’s a serious news gathering, not commentating, organization.

CNN is very clever in it’s biases - very stealthy. FNC, on the other hand doesn’t mince words and to a large degree wears it’s point-of-view on it’s sleeve. This is what allows it’s critiques to so easily dismiss FNC as a propaganda instrument of the right.

FNC should try less to mirror the NYPOST and try harder to mimic the Wall Street Journal - but, unfortunately more people read the Post than read the Journal and that’s all Murdoch really cares about. He’s a showman, not a conservative ideologue.


20 posted on 12/02/2008 11:29:02 AM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Jibaholic

Considering the lack of ratings on MSNBC, I would say they’re pretty much a failure as well.


21 posted on 12/02/2008 11:33:51 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: My Favorite Headache

And the Daily Show is the same as the SeeBS Evening News. Both are pwned by Viacommie and both are as “factual” with their presentation of the news.


22 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:08 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: Big_Monkey

Fox News isn’t conservative (NEWS, not commentary).

It is just to the right of CNN just as CNN is to the right of CNN International.

With News Corp executives endorsing Kerry and Murdoch giving money to Hillary, they are hardly a voice of the Right Wing.


23 posted on 12/02/2008 11:54:45 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: Big_Monkey

Agree completely with your post 20.


24 posted on 12/02/2008 12:10:02 PM PST by mysterio
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To: My Favorite Headache

FTR, the author of this piece is David Knowles and he did an excellent job.


25 posted on 12/02/2008 12:18:36 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: NeoCaveman
No, Fox News is the mirror of CNN.

MSNBC is a cartoon network.


How about they are all the same - Fox News loves to exploit tragedy as much as the other two, and they love to run crap like Geri Halliwell Parties Panty-Free at Children's Awards Show, Fox News' Sexpert, a glowing review of Obama's cabinet picks, Huge Stash of Marijuana Found in Ancient Tomb. All of that was found in just a minute or two on the main site.

I'm personally done with them. I stopped watching Faux News for a long time after I saw Captain Mascara, you know "Shep", exploiting the hell out of an Israeli family whose son (a soldier in the IDF) was kidnapped. I don't know why I watched Faux again, because the questions he was asking were just horrible.

This time around, I quit after the election night, when they began trashing McCain/Palin and praising Obama/Biden and talking about how great it was for America.

I have a few friends who still watch the crap that Fox calls "news", and I have no idea why they do - they are intelligent people, and even they admit that it's gotten pretty bad.
26 posted on 12/02/2008 4:43:34 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Big_Monkey

I should have read the whole thread - you summed up why Fox News is garbage. We’ve all seen the video where Murdoch was praising Obama. It should have been pretty clear where their loyalties lay when they were backing Rudy Giuliani - they lean to the left more than some will acknowledge. They pretend they are conservative, but if you looked at the majority of their stories, they are exactly as you say - tabloid.


27 posted on 12/02/2008 4:46:10 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Badeye

Bill Maher is hands down the worst individual on television next to Keith Olbermann.


28 posted on 12/02/2008 7:44:28 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

No doubt about it. Especially since that nutcase O’Donell left The View.


29 posted on 12/03/2008 6:25:40 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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