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Supreme Court refused to hear the Donofrio case because he was a kook!
Self | 12/8/08 | Self

Posted on 12/08/2008 10:48:27 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants

First, Donofrio admits that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Second, he tortures the law and the Constitution to come up with the twisted interpretation that Obama wasn't a Naturally born citizen because Obama's FATHER was a British subject.

Third, if the Supreme Court HAD taken the case, then MILLIONS of people born inside the US with one or both parents not being US citizens would no longer be considered US citizens.

The Supreme Court isn't going to waste it's time on such stupidity.

Now, when someone actually appeals to the Supreme Court and questions the LOCATION of Obama's birth, THEN I believe the Supreme Court will hear it.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; donofrio; goodvanity; ignorantvanity; obama; supreme
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To: ctdonath2

Chester Adams is a guard for the Chicago Bears. There has never been a president by that name.


61 posted on 12/08/2008 11:56:30 AM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Velveeta
My understanding, growing up with the topic, was that at the time if only one parent was a citizen, it had to be the father,

I believe this changed in 53 which overturned the 1870 code that listed 'father' and changed it to 'parent'. The only exception I remember in Title 8 was for a child of 'single parentage' (ie parent's arent' married), thus, obviously, the mother is whom is listed.

62 posted on 12/08/2008 11:56:56 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Velveeta
"I was born in the US prior to my parents' naturalization."

Then you are a natural born citizen unless your parents were diplomats or members of a hostile occupying army (are you a La Raza baby?) Or, prior to 1924, a member of an Indian tribe subject to tribal law.

63 posted on 12/08/2008 11:57:45 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Velveeta

So are you saying that it didn’t matter that Obama’s mother was a citizen at his birth? I don’t buy that. Show me the law.


64 posted on 12/08/2008 11:58:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Velveeta
teacher singling out those of us who were not natural born and saying - you and you and you and you, you can not be president.

Recently I saw a lesson plan for a middle school online that erroneously said that only a person physically born in the US a natural born citizen with no exceptions listed for military personnel etc.

65 posted on 12/08/2008 11:58:48 AM PST by mnehring
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To: calenel; arrogantsob
Arthur. My bad.

Brain farts aside, the new understanding of his birth certificate vs. father's citizenship is posted here. Apparently he WAS born in the USA, but feared his father's citizenship would disqualify him for POTUS. Main point is that we've seen very nearly the same shenanigans before, which greatly enhances any hope to disqualify O.

66 posted on 12/08/2008 12:01:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: stylin19a; Blood of Tyrants

another hits SCOTUS

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2145035/posts


67 posted on 12/08/2008 12:01:25 PM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So are you saying that it didn’t matter that Obama’s mother was a citizen at his birth? I don’t buy that. Show me the law.

There is a residency restriction if Obama was born outside the US under Title 8, subsection 1401.

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

::snip::...a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years..

68 posted on 12/08/2008 12:02:18 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Blood of Tyrants

BINGO!! That;s what I gthought about him also! The WHOLE POINT is that Obama was born in Kenya!! Donofrio SABOTAGED his own case.....WHY? HMMMMMM.....


69 posted on 12/08/2008 12:02:23 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience)
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To: elmer fudd

Typo. See #66.


70 posted on 12/08/2008 12:06:00 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: mnehrling
"In Obama’s case, if he was born in Hawaii and his mother was a citizen, then he is a citizen, no preconditions."

This is true but incomplete. Anyone born in the US is a citizen except children of diplomats, hostile occupying armies, aliens in transit through US airspace or waters on their way between two non US destinations and prior to 1924, Indians subject to tribal Law. Everybody else is 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States, per the 14th Amendment and substantial SCOTUS rulings. The reason the mother citizenship qualification makes it true is that it precludes any of the listen exceptions.

71 posted on 12/08/2008 12:07:39 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All

Everyone,
Quick research request because it makes a difference. Does anyone know who Obama’s mother worked for when he was born?


72 posted on 12/08/2008 12:07:56 PM PST by mnehring
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To: calenel

True, I didn’t include any of the exceptions because they don’t remotely apply in this case.


73 posted on 12/08/2008 12:09:08 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have to run, but I’ll be back later.

This is the law in effect at the time:

3. January 13, 1941 to December 23, 1952
If you were born between January 13, 1941 and December 23, 1952, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship if both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States. You didn’t have to do anything special to keep your U.S. citizenship.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen, that parent must have lived in the United States for at least ten years prior to your birth, and at least five of those years must have been after your parent reached the age of 16. To keep your citizenship, you must have lived in the United States for at least two years between the ages of 14 and 28 (called a residence requirement). However, as a result of a U.S. Supreme Court decision, if you were born after October 9, 1952, your parent still had to fulfill the residence requirement in order to pass citizenship to you, but your own residence requirements for retaining U.S. citizenship were abolished. If your one U.S. citizen parent was your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules applied if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time.

4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html


74 posted on 12/08/2008 12:10:24 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta
at least five of which had to be after the age of 16

There is an exception to this, if the citizen parent works for a government agency, international organization or is in the military, the residency requirement is only two years. Thus the question posted above, who did his mom work for at the time.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html (See section g)

75 posted on 12/08/2008 12:13:07 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

Probably no one since she was barely 18 when she gave birth to Obama.


76 posted on 12/08/2008 12:13:56 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Velveeta
"My understanding, growing up with the topic, was that at the time if only one parent was a citizen, it had to be the father, as only the father could confer citizenship."

All of the gender specific language was dropped over the course of evolution of this issue. The term 'citizen father or citizen mother' appears at least as far back as 1934. The 14th amendment contains no gender specific language. I think you're covered.

77 posted on 12/08/2008 12:17:16 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: EveningStar
"These people are crackpots."

Not sure who you are calling a crackpot, but this:

1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).

"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years."

means that Obama should produce his BC and prove he was born in the US.

78 posted on 12/08/2008 12:23:56 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: ctdonath2

Wasn’t Chester Adams the creator of Dick Tracy?

I do not see that case as helping any effort against Obama but hurting it.


79 posted on 12/08/2008 12:24:21 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Ann Archy
"The WHOLE POINT is that Obama was born in Kenya!"

Exactly right. I predicted that Donofrio's and Berg's cases would fail and was thoroughly abused by some for it. I had hoped that there would be some indication of a more viable approach to come out of it, but I am not surprised at "no comment."

80 posted on 12/08/2008 12:30:27 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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