If not for us, it would be very, very cold, University of Wisconsin-Madison study says

Wisconsin State Journal ^ | Dec. 16, 2008 | RON SEELY

[bigbob]

pure crap

[muawiyah]

Sorry, even the least intelligent among us will, from time to time, stray from the path of true righteousness, wake up, and notice it’s GETTING COLDER!

[BenLurkin]

Bull twerky

[muawiyah]

Look, first guy to come up with this had a feature article in Discover several years back. He took a good look at the "interpolated" temperature data all the modelers had developed for the UN climate models and noted that there was a temperature drop in the Americas that coincided with the great die-off of the American Indians, and that it persisted, and spread, to the rest of the world, until agriclture was "restarted" in the Americas ~

That short cool-down period would have resulted in an Ice Age if left unchecked.

[Paved Paradise]

I hate these what if scenarios.

[ProudFossil]

I have asked several libs if CO2 is so bad, why do we spend millions of dollars every year pumping it out of the ground? Why not just trap it from the power plants, etc? No answers. Dimwits.

[muawiyah]

If agricultural pollution (smoke, CO2, extra water vapor, termite far+z, etc.) is abated, we will all freeze to death in the dark.

[muawiyah]

Usually volcanoes don't produce all that much CO2. Some produce quite a bit; most don't have a source of carbon to tap.

Depends on the volcano, not the force of the blast.

[spikeytx86]

So my SUV is keeping us out of an Ice Age?

Your welcome Democrats.

[muawiyah]

First, an understanding ~ we are still in an Ice Age. It's been going on for about 2 million years. We are presently in an "interglacial". Still, even during the periods of maxium glaciation (about 80,000 years long) ice lobes can and do melt down and disappear in various regions.

The result is a see-saw type event ~ sometimes one child pumps harder and his end of the board dominates, then the other child gets an advantage and his end dominates. Still, the see-saw continues to, well, see-saw. Up and down, up and down, with a general trend line of "down" for a while, then "up".

We are very near one of those tipping points where the next maximum glaciation is OVERDUE and it looked like things were still warming up.

From what we know of how the interglacials end, that happens immediately after a period of maximum warmth ~ then in a few short years the ice comes back.

U of Wisconsin now says we've been holding back the ice ~ obviously we must burn more coal.

Still, looking over the fossil fuel reserves, we don't have 100,000 years worth to take us all the way through the next cycle.

Something and somebody will have to give!

[muawiyah]

Actually, your pristine front lawn is keeping us out of a return of the glaciers, plus, your sprinkler system.

We need more like you ~ hundreds of millions more ~

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

That's essentially the premise of the Niven & Pournelle novel Fallen Angels: the Industrial Revolution and its attendant pollution has held off the next Ice Age. Once the environmentalists got their wish and air pollution was reduced drastically.... BAM!

[pallis]

Garbage in, garbage out. It doesn’t matter who the computers belong to. Global warming isn’t happening as planned because of global cooling, so it must stand for reason that global cooling isn’t what it should be because of warming. Make sure your research proves this, even though the data is only an infinitesimal fraction of what is needed to know anything for certain. The question that should be asked is how much did this study cost the taxpayers in grant money. If the researchers had found that mankind has nothing to do with the big picture of climate changes, would they still have a job?

[decimon]

That's essentially the premise of the Niven & Pournelle novel Fallen Angels: the Industrial Revolution and its attendant pollution has held off the next Ice Age.

I've read various theories for about as long as I can remember. As far as I can tell, all we know is that it will eventually be much warmer and eventually much cooler.

[ChessExpert]

It’s a refreshing take on things: We did good, instead of the usual, we did harm.

But I don’t believe we have much of an impact on climate, now or then. References to “powerful computer models” should be a howler. We heard that in the 70s with the Club of Rome: wrong then, wrong now.

Anyone who has done a lot of modeling realizes that you can get most any answer you want. This is not to say that modeling is necessarily useless. But models can be very sensitive to variables chosen, how the model is built, and the parameter values utilized. If someone with a pre-conceived view, or an agenda, slants enough decisions in one direction, they will get the answer they want.

[Species8472]

Kilauea Volcano, just upwind from the NOAA station that monitors atmospheric CO2 for the global warming crowd put out 9000 tons of CO2 per day.

(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002AGUSM.V52A..07G)

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks decimon.

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[decimon]

Thanks decimon.

And thank you. I'm sure your ancestors wasted a tree or two.

[SunkenCiv]

Yeah, they cut down trees, ate their lunch, and went to the lavatory.

[SunkenCiv]

oldie (2001) from Popular Mechanics:

The Tree Solution
by Jim Wilson

As Greenpeace expanded to become the world's largest international environmental organization, Moore's star steadily rose and he eventually became vice president of research. Then he did something even more unexpected than joining the organization in the first place. He packed up and quit... In the months before his departure, Moore had begun talking heresy. "The environmental movement had gone astray and lost its perspective on forests," Moore says. "Rather than cutting fewer trees and using less wood, we should be growing more trees and using more wood." Greenpeace branded him an eco-Judas. Now comes the biggest surprise of all. Recently published research suggests that Moore is right. Cutting down old trees could be the best way to thwart global warming.