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1 posted on 12/17/2008 2:16:37 PM PST by decimon
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To: steelyourfaith; SunkenCiv

Hug a tree ping


2 posted on 12/17/2008 2:17:44 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

Got to be more to this.

The PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF MADISON cannot not wander off the DemoRAT reservation.


3 posted on 12/17/2008 2:18:22 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: decimon
More-guesswork-based-upon-unreliable-computer-models ping.
4 posted on 12/17/2008 2:18:40 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Abortion has become little more than the New Left's execution of political prisoners.)
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To: decimon

OK - so what caused the previous ice ages and what was the cause of them melting???

The last one was around 25,000 years ago ... what caused that one to melt?


5 posted on 12/17/2008 2:19:06 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: decimon
have used powerful computer climate models

I used powerful computer models to show that aliens can be defeated with hand-held mini-guns.

9 posted on 12/17/2008 2:22:44 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: decimon

What a load of bovine excrement.


12 posted on 12/17/2008 2:24:11 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (God helps those who help themselves. The government helps those who don't.)
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To: decimon

some scientists in Arizona (Institute of CO2 Studies?) published some studies years ago showing that the earth would benefit by increasing CO2 because it would allow food production ot stay steady or increase (especially with population growth) as more traditional areas (Russia China Canada and US) lost production due to cooling


16 posted on 12/17/2008 2:30:05 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: decimon

some scientists in Arizona (Institute of CO2 Studies?) published some studies years ago showing that the earth would benefit by increasing CO2 because it would allow food production ot stay steady or increase (especially with population growth) as more traditional areas (Russia China Canada and US) lost production due to cooling


17 posted on 12/17/2008 2:30:08 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: decimon

“He linked increases in atmospheric methane and carbon dioxide in the ice cores to a time about 5,000 years ago when humans commenced large-scale rice farming in Asia and extensive deforestation of European forests.”

Models, smodels. They’ll tell you anything you want to hear as long a you plug in the right assumptions. But I’ve heard it said often that one large volcanic eruption can put more CO2 into the air, and other matter than years of man’s activities. And, what did these folks assume about the sun, and changes in sun activity and sunspot activity?


18 posted on 12/17/2008 2:30:24 PM PST by Will88
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To: decimon

pure crap


21 posted on 12/17/2008 2:32:35 PM PST by bigbob
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To: decimon

Bull twerky


23 posted on 12/17/2008 2:42:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (Mrs. Claus is a very lucky woman , sir.)
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To: decimon

I hate these what if scenarios.


25 posted on 12/17/2008 2:43:38 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: decimon

So my SUV is keeping us out of an Ice Age?

Your welcome Democrats.


29 posted on 12/17/2008 2:48:34 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: decimon
That's essentially the premise of the Niven & Pournelle novel Fallen Angels: the Industrial Revolution and its attendant pollution has held off the next Ice Age. Once the environmentalists got their wish and air pollution was reduced drastically.... BAM!
32 posted on 12/17/2008 2:57:54 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (ACORN is a criminal enterprise)
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Garbage in, garbage out. It doesn’t matter who the computers belong to. Global warming isn’t happening as planned because of global cooling, so it must stand for reason that global cooling isn’t what it should be because of warming. Make sure your research proves this, even though the data is only an infinitesimal fraction of what is needed to know anything for certain. The question that should be asked is how much did this study cost the taxpayers in grant money. If the researchers had found that mankind has nothing to do with the big picture of climate changes, would they still have a job?


33 posted on 12/17/2008 3:03:30 PM PST by pallis
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To: decimon

It’s a refreshing take on things: We did good, instead of the usual, we did harm.

But I don’t believe we have much of an impact on climate, now or then. References to “powerful computer models” should be a howler. We heard that in the 70s with the Club of Rome: wrong then, wrong now.

Anyone who has done a lot of modeling realizes that you can get most any answer you want. This is not to say that modeling is necessarily useless. But models can be very sensitive to variables chosen, how the model is built, and the parameter values utilized. If someone with a pre-conceived view, or an agenda, slants enough decisions in one direction, they will get the answer they want.


35 posted on 12/17/2008 3:16:25 PM PST by ChessExpert (The Dow was at 12,400 when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: decimon
oldie (2001) from Popular Mechanics:
The Tree Solution
by Jim Wilson
As Greenpeace expanded to become the world's largest international environmental organization, Moore's star steadily rose and he eventually became vice president of research. Then he did something even more unexpected than joining the organization in the first place. He packed up and quit... In the months before his departure, Moore had begun talking heresy. "The environmental movement had gone astray and lost its perspective on forests," Moore says. "Rather than cutting fewer trees and using less wood, we should be growing more trees and using more wood." Greenpeace branded him an eco-Judas. Now comes the biggest surprise of all. Recently published research suggests that Moore is right. Cutting down old trees could be the best way to thwart global warming.

40 posted on 12/17/2008 3:46:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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