Posted on 01/02/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by patriot08
Ed Hale of Plains Radio has secured a copy of the Dunham/Obama divorce decree as promised. He has registered this at the courthouse and has turned the document over to lawyers who are reported to be happy and enthused over the contents.
This is the first page. This is all that can be divulged at this time as those who have seen the decree are sworn to silence. You may hear information about it tonight on Ed's plainsradio show.
My son goes to UCLA. People in Brentwood and Westwood, etc. rent part of their houses to students or in some cases they rent out mother-in-law cottages.
It is difficult to track the facts and suppositions on this issue. We need another alamo-girl.
Now that Ed has announced to the world where to look, two things are going to happen:
a. Someone in the media is going to rush to get the scoop faster than slow Ed; or
b. Someone in the bot-camp is going to rush and bury it and the source with grandma’s ashes.
Young still no matches to Thelma
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That house today is worth $700,000.00.
The house next door is worth one and a half million dollars.
Back in 61 had the house had to be at least $100,000.00
now do you think two newlyweds going to college could afford to rent this house. Gas was about 25 to 29 cents too.
It seems as if the whole point you are trying to make is that this issue may notbe seen through to the point of getting justice.
Is that it?
I do not think that anyone here thinks that there is any guarantee that we will get justice here.
My point is that thecase of Arthu really does very little to teach us anything in regards to how this all will go.
You said — “If the courts do not require him to produce his documents, we will make sure that the issue does not die and that history will hang a cloud over his presidency. There is more than one way to “make” someone do something.”
Why would the courts be wrong about it. I thought that the Supreme Court gave the final word on the matter. I’m more than willing to let the Supreme Court determine what the situation is for Obama. That’s their job. And if they decide one way — that’s fine and if they decide the other way — that’s fine too — because that’s what we all invest the Supreme Court as their job. They are the last word, even if (at times) it’s “no word” at all... :-)
So, are you saying you wouldn’t accept the Supreme Court’s actions if you don’t believe they should decide the way that they do?
I’m willing to accept the answer from them — so I don’t know why you wouldn’t be willing to.
Ann attended UW from August 1961 through spring 1962 but she didn’t return to HI until early 1963.(she earned a total of 20 credits from UW) When she returned to HI in 1963 she lived in #110 1427 Alexander St., an apartment her parents had rented for her. When she registered for classes for spring 1963 at UH she moved in with her parents at 2277 Kamehameha Ave.
None of Obama Sr’s friends ever mentioned Ann and she wasn’t present in pictures taken of Sr when he attended parties. It wasn’t until 2008 when Neil Abercrombie began to mention Ann being with Obama Sr. In 2007 he mentioned he was a friend of Obama Sr only!
“I don’t think they had photocopiers back then, did they?”
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They probably used a mimeograph machine.
http://www.irememberjfk.com/mt/2007/04/mimeograph_machines.php
You said — “No matter when the Court were to rule that Obama is ineligible you can bet your bottom dollar that Congress will get invovled, IMO.”
Well, I’ve got a real big question about whether the Supreme Court will get involved in the matter once it is past January 20th. I hear people say that they will, but I kinda doubt that they will, since I figure that Congress is able to appoint a Special Prosecutor and they have the ability to impeach and convict (if so required) — and so the Supreme Court may say that Congress must follow through with any determination or investigation after January 20th.
That is my take on the matter. But, it’s not too far away from January 20th, so it won’t be too long of a wait to see...
Short answer: It wouldn't change the Constitution at all.
Longer answer: If it had been known when Arthur was in office, there would have been legislation and contemporaneous commentaries, which wouldn't have changed the Constitution, but would have shed some light on in how it was interpreted at the time. There would also have been litigation, which would have set some sort of precedent.
If one unqualified president slipped through undetected, it doesn't change the law, any more than one killer who isn't caught invalidates the murder statute.
Geeze, what a total waste of time. Still nothing concrete about where BHO was born.
Alternate interpretation: after a century of no fraud, the "system" fell asleep and no one bothered to ask the question, opening the "system" up to fraud. When the fraud was committed, the "system" went into denial because no one thought such a fraud could be committed.
Some people even looked at the "system" and said "no one has proven he's not qualified," when "he" controls the proof and refuses to produce it.
Refusal to produce proof of qualification is in and of itself sufficient enough reason to prevent him from taking office and we'll see if 5 judges have the courage to say so.
She was asked a direct question about her mother’s date of death and evaded giving a direct answer. She didn’t say yes she said she wishes all the females of the family could sit and stare at the moon. Maya is the one who gave details of her mother’s death and yet the article was pulled. Why? Maya also said that her grandma wore 4 inch heels and she would even wear those heels to go inspect grandpa’s lawn mowing. They lived in an apartment so what lawn mowing?
A precedent that would have been in place for today's Supreme Court to refer to.
So, do we owe it to future presidents, courts, and voters to set that precendent once and for all, so it doesn't happen a second (or possibly third) time?
-PJ
His sister's place of birth was not mentioned in the divorce decree from Lolo Soetoro, and from what we've seen today, his place of birth is not mentioned in the divorce from BHO Sr decree, either, although it could be in the missing pages I suppose.
Well it will see be long to wait and see what will happen afterwards. A major difference in Obama’s case is the amount of resources that are starting to be used to turn up details of his past. If a major breakthrough is made even a year after he is in office that proves he was born in Kenya or was an Indonesian citizen (and traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport) tere is going to be an outcry for the Court and the Congress to address this issue.
It was never proven at the time that he did not qualify, but apparently he didn’t qualify (at least, after the fact some say that and say it’s proven). So, it’s possible that Obama may never be proven to not qualify — and maybe “after the fact” (after he’s left office, it may be proven..., who knows...).
The thing that is at issue is that the allegations are not proven (first item) and then (second item) a person takes the office of President (under those continuing allegations of not being qualified [but not proven]).
It sort of sounds like what may be happening with Obama is what happened with President Arthur.
The allegations (for President Arthur) are that he was born in Canada (and now someone else says that there were questions of being born elsewhere, other than Canada, outside of the U.S.). So, there were multiple allegations, apparently.
Yes and they were real photographic images using mercury. If you creased the copy, it would show a silver line in the crease. The Xerox came in 1962 IIRC, and Kodak and IBM shortly thereafter. By 1965 they were commonplace.
If the court or the congress do not review his qualifications, then thousands of us will pursue the matter as best we can.
Just a suggestion, but if anyone wants to not rely on Ed Hale and his crazy promises, let’s start digging up information on
“PORT OF ENTRY BIRTH CERTIFICATE” before Google is clogged with blogs using it and posting that phrase everywhere.
There’s already enough info on the web showing that there are many service agencies in states that will register the birth of a foreign child if you’re an American and I’m starting there now.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=point+of+entry+birth+certificate&aq=f&oq=
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