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Are UFOs real? Famous people who believed
Telegraph UK ^ | 4-22-09 | staff

Posted on 04/22/2009 1:47:15 PM PDT by VinL

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To: Quix

“He could be in his 40-50’s and have worked around such debris/technologies.”

He could, but that would not be not “first hand” evidence about the Roswell incident, which took place almost 62 years ago. If I visited downtown Dallas, or made the mistake of seeing Oliver Stone’s infamous film, would I then be qualified to give “first hand” evidence about the Kennedy assasination?

If UFO enthusiasts want to be taken seriously, they need to measure their language carefully, and distinguish between fact and opinion. Otherwise it’s just another religion like “global warming”, but admittedly a lot less harmful.


41 posted on 04/22/2009 5:19:07 PM PDT by devere
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To: wolfpat
People who believe that UFOs are spaceships from another planet don’t really understand how big the universe is.

If other intelligent life exists, how would you know what technology they harness or they technology they may use as a means of interstellar travel?

42 posted on 04/22/2009 5:26:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away)
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To: dragnet2

“People who believe that UFOs are spaceships from another planet don’t really understand how big the universe is.”
“If other intelligent life exists, how would you know what technology they harness or they technology they may use as a means of interstellar travel?”

It could be that aliens if any come from other dimensions on this planet Earth. While space and time are the 4 dimensions well known to us, there may well be others as yet unknown.
“There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy Horatio” Hamlet, Act I, Scene V


43 posted on 04/22/2009 5:33:30 PM PDT by devere
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To: coffee260
Here’s the problem I have with UFO’s. You’d think that with the explosion of dash board cameras, personal camcorders, surveillance cameras spattered across the planet in the hundreds of thousands, not to mention high tech radar, (not to be confused with a cops radar gun) that at least one, just ONE image of ET would emerge

You're suggesting life from outside earth must travel in sizable craft, similar to ours, that can easily be detected from common cameras. What if the craft they travel in are the size of a grain of sand, or smaller?

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.

44 posted on 04/22/2009 5:34:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away)
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To: VinL

For those who like “science-fiction” backed by real experiments ...

http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html


45 posted on 04/22/2009 5:53:29 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere

I was eleven years old in 1947 and after 40 years in and out of uniform I was called back to active duty at the age of 68 because of my critical MOS and spent my 69th birthday in Iraq with The 189th Blackhawk unit from Helena. When I was discharged in Dec of 2005 to the inactive reserve, I was told that as long as I could pass a flight physical, I would still be subject to call up because of my MOS, I am now 72 and would go back if called. :-) I am not afraid of time, but time is afraid of me. Regards.


46 posted on 04/22/2009 5:56:17 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping, the “truth is out there” I was elevan years old in 1947 and my military career started in 1962 with the Cuban Missle Crisis and ended in Dec of 2005 after two tours in Iraq. God bless our military and the USA.


47 posted on 04/22/2009 6:07:45 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: jesseam

And what were the circumstances surrounding you seeing debris in 1947?


48 posted on 04/22/2009 6:09:10 PM PDT by devere
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To: 4rcane
"Didn’t Carter say he will reveal all when he became president, so what happened with that?"

He did. He stated that they were in the form of "attack rabbits"

49 posted on 04/22/2009 6:12:06 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: devere

Hi, my dad was the intelligence officer for the 509th composite bomb group at Roswell Army Air Field and was ordered by Col. Blanchard the base CO to investigate what crashed on the Foster Ranch and to gather pieces of debris from whatever crashed and bring it back for inspection. Because the debris was unique, he brought portions of it back for my mother and myself to examine. I have to say the debris was not classified at that time. It was like something that I have never seen. The Army did give me some training in a/c accident investigation, and I can tell you that this was not from a conventional craft. Certainly not from a weather or Mogul Balloon which is the cover story.


50 posted on 04/22/2009 6:22:53 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: MHGinTN; dragnet2

What part of “e=mc^2” do you not understand?


51 posted on 04/22/2009 6:27:56 PM PDT by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: jesseam

That’s interesting testimony.

For the sake of posterity I suggest that you make a sworn affadavit about what you saw and your evaluation of it. Someday you may no longer be able to pass a flight physical.


52 posted on 04/22/2009 6:29:15 PM PDT by devere
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To: wolfpat

What part of assuming that’s the final authority on spacetime do you not understand, prick?


53 posted on 04/22/2009 6:35:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wolfpat
By the way, learn to use html, smartass: E = mc2
54 posted on 04/22/2009 6:37:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: devere

You are right, unfortuately because of “baggage” I brought home from Iraq due to mortar fire, I could no longer pass a flight physical :-( But what the hey, you gotta make the best of it.


55 posted on 04/22/2009 6:41:48 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: MHGinTN

Okay, how about this, smartass; what are the odds that there are any of these “superior technologies” within a 100 light year sphere of us? Otherwise why would they be surveilling any planet around a star that almost defines the word “average”?


56 posted on 04/22/2009 6:45:34 PM PDT by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: coffee260
You’d think that with the explosion of dash board cameras, personal camcorders, surveillance cameras spattered across the planet in the hundreds of thousands, not to mention high tech radar, (not to be confused with a cops radar gun) that at least one, just ONE image of ET would emerge.

Exactly. Not to mention that the conspiracy to cover up UFOs is entirely unbelievable and aliens seem to place aviation lights on their crafts. Why? If they can travel through wormholes, travel faster than the speed of light, and can maneuver with uncanny speed in the earth's atmosphere, why do they need big disco lights all over their ships?
57 posted on 04/22/2009 6:46:37 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: MHGinTN

And please show me one iota of evidence that Einstein might not be the final authority on spacetime.


58 posted on 04/22/2009 6:50:56 PM PDT by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: devere

“Back and to the left !”


59 posted on 04/22/2009 6:52:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: wolfpat
You have at least two subtle assumptions in your questions. I will let you guess what the science oriented ones are, but address an unspoken issue in your post.

The Bible says we humans have a spirit and that we are made 'in God's image'. It may be too much for you to relate to but the beings piloting the craft from another world (not necessary 'not earth of future or another brane') may not have a spirit and in fact may not be created in 'God's image'. That would make we humans a pretty interesting species to observe, albeit we must be very confusing. You might want to consider that 'other beings' may not be capable of 'sin', or may infact have been created so different from us that we are a novelty in a mundane multiverse.

60 posted on 04/22/2009 6:56:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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