Posted on 07/06/2009 5:42:02 PM PDT by pissant
Back on June 27, 2008, PolitiFact published a story we hoped would put the whole Obama birth certificate controversy to rest. It ran under the now-laughable headline, "Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter."
Oh, how naive we were.
More than a year later, the debate continues to rage on the Internet among the "Birthers" movement, people who doubt that President Barack Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and is therefore ineligible to serve as president. Or at least, they say, Obama has yet to sufficiently prove things one way or the other.
Today, we examine two claims:
• WorldNetDaily's owners took out an ad saying White House spokesman Robert Gibbs "lied" when he said President Obama's birth certificate is posted on the Internet. We ruled that statement False .
(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...
First of all, I'm not a multi-billion dollar, international news gathering organization with the commensurate resources. Those people have elected to completely bury the story or obfuscate the facts and the questions about the facts, or lack thereof.
Second, I've included a few paragraphs from the State of Hawaii's own website regarding Amended birth certificates. It is as follows...
How to Apply for an Amended Certificate of BirthWho is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has become legally adopted
An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of a final adoption decree or an abstract of the decree, and after payment of any fees.
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has undergone a sex change operation:
An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of an affidavit of a physician that the physician has examined the individual and determined that the individual has had a sex change operation and the sex designation on the individual’s birth certificate is no longer correct, subject to further investigation and submission of additional information if deemed necessary, and payment of fees
I've included the information about the sex change because it's germane. A citizen of HI, who's undergone a sex change will have a Certification of Live Birth document that shows their "new" gender identity. But, their original "vault copy" or long form Certificate of Live Birth (notice it's Certificate and not Certification), will show their original or should I say, their real gender.
The laser-printed, Certification of Live Birth, which is the kind presented by Obama to "prove" his citizenship, will only show the amended information, not the original information.
When filing for Hawaiian's Homestead Exemption (which is only available to native islander's), one must include an original, vault copy Birth Certificate for this very reason. The indigenous islanders want to make sure that people with amended Birth Certificate's are not getting a privilege that their birth doesn't entitle them to.
Finally, let's table the birth question for a moment. Why hasn't Obama provided any of the other historical records that have been commonly released by other Presidential candidates. As mentioned in other posts, these would be things like college transcripts, admission forms, financial aid forms and the like. And, why hasn't the media pressured Obama or just questioned Obama his lack of candor and transparency with respect to these documents? If their curious about GWB's, why aren't they curious about Barack Obama's. I'm not a conspiracy nut. In fact, I'm incredibly skeptical of all conspiracies. But, when 90%+ journalist admit in surveys that they're Democrats, I get nervous when they lose their curiosity about Democrat candidates.
Irrelevant. Unless their CoLBs list their birthplaces as Honolulu instead of Japan or the Philippines. In which case, you get to make Janice Okubo eat crow.
Are they conservative? If so, you should let them know of the dynamite they possess. They have the power to make monkeys of Okubo and Lingle and call into question all Hawaiian birth certificates!
"'The thing that's redacted is just our file number," she said. "Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.'" Janice Okubo
Quite the IT specialist, that Janice! The redacted number, 151 1961-010641, is neither a userid nor a password nor a personal ID of any significance. It is, in fact, just their "file number". So far, nobody else has trotted out a BC with the same number (the commonly suspected reason for the redaction). The last six digits are a sequence number. Someone did compare it to the number of births in the year and found good agreement with Obama's birth date.
In most cases, where there's smoke there's fire. When there's no fire, it's usually a smoke grenade and they're generally used to deliberately conceal something.
I have. Same-same as Hollyfield.
It seems to me what the US Code has done is to interpret itself into the Constitution, in essence, subverting it. Hence, I stand by my iterpretation. Though no one in authority sees it my way anyway as I regard Jane Fonda, Nancy Pelosi, Rick Warren and many others guilty of Treason by the Constitution.
But I do appreciate, and respect your response, and even had to think about it overnight before replying that I don’t agree.
And again: I can’t believe I’m defending this bastard. But I’ve got to call them as I see them.
Thanks.
"Actual" does not literally mean actual. You can go into any DOH office, have a driver's license, show proof of residency in Hawaii like utility receipts or a lease agreement, and sign a notarized statement that you were born in Hawaii, and Presto, you get a freshly-printed COLB with HAWAII listed as your place of birth.
It will say, Amended" on it, though.
So much for "actual place of birth."
What does a “free flow of information” have to do with forging a birth certificate?
A forgery of a short-form birth certificate is still a forgery, even if his long-form birth certificate has the same information on it (which it won’t, of course).
It’s a forgery regardless of his true citizenship status.
It’s a forgery regardless of where he was born.
A counterfeit $20 is still a counterfeit $20, no matter how good it looks.
Les Kinsolving was right. A COLB is not a Birth Certificate, no matter what the spin of the Hawaii state bureaucrat Farley chooses to quote. Plus, contrary to Farley and FactCheck.org, that COLB which was posted on the Internet is a fraud, as proven by Polarik's paper.
Robert Farley who?
LoL! An appropriate name.
1) The Constitutional requirement for the job must be upheld else the contract between we the people and the federal oligarchs is abrogated (via denied standing to question the affirmative action bastard).
2) We have no actual proof that Stanley Ann Dunham is in fact his biological mother since there is no valid BC to refer to and follow up on.
3) If Barry were Stanley Ann's child and born in Canada or Kenya, he would not be a U.S. citizen.
4) If Barry Soetoro used his Indonesian or Kenyan citizenship to obtain college tuition help or a passport, he has exhibited the very sort of divided loyalties the founders appear to have been trying to eliminate with the Constitutional requirement of 'natural born citizen'.
5) When we the people are willing to set the Constitution aside for an affirmative action hire, we have opened the door to be usurped and will live under a Constitutional Republic no longer.
I’m surprised you’re defending him, too.
Obama does not meet the eligibility requirements for the U.S. presidency.
The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book “Law of Nations.”
That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work — The Law of Nations — which he published in 1758. This monumental work applied a theory of natural law to international relations.
De Vattel’s Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel’s Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the “Natural Born Citizen” phrase. It nails what is meant by the “natural born citizen” phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Obama, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the U. S. Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.”
To be a “natural born citizen” one’s parents must both be citizens (native born or naturalized, it doesn’t matter which) AND one must be born within the nation of one’s parents.
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms that understanding and the construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents (plural, meaning two) not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”
Bingham is also quoted saying in the Spring of 1868 some serious warnings:
“May God forbid that the future historian shall record of this day’s proceedings, that by reason of the failure of the legislative power of the people to triumph over the usurpations of an apostate President, the fabric of American empire fell and perished from the earth!...I ask you to consider that we stand this day pleading for the violated majesty of the law, by the graves of half a million of martyred hero-patriots who made death beautiful by the sacrifice of themselves for their country, the Constitution and the laws, and who, by their sublime example, have taught us all to obey the law; that none are above the law...”
As you can easily understand after reading this, neither Barack Obama nor John McCain were eligible to be President under Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution. For your information, both men accepted large cash donations from George Soros, who is determined to destroy this nation. A first step to achieving that aim is to render the Constitution a useless rag.
Thanks justiceseeker93.
A Matter Of Opinion
(Obama to UPI, born at Queens then writes and claims birth at Kap’olani)
The Spokesman-Review | July 8, 2009 | Gary D. Rhodes
Posted on 07/08/2009 11:03:26 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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