i'd be tooo funny if some little sh!t country in the un ask the Zer0 to see proof or something...
Posted on 08/12/2009 2:53:21 PM PDT by rxsid
"A dual citizen on the other hand can’t make certain treaties under International Law"
Legal question relating to international treaties/law.
Just to note: The essay is from November 28, 2008.
And also, I should say that this might involve not only International law, but also U.S. Federal law (when pertaining to the U.S. specifically).
On 20 January 2009 we ceased to be a nation under Rule of Law. The majority in Congress acts boldly in criminal insanity. An illegitimate usurper holds the Presidency.
Still, the question is interesting: if Obama is held a natural born citizen dint of mother’s citizenship, yet he is also a citizen of another nation — Kenya, Canada, Indonesia, or whatever — can he enter into treaties?
My first impression, based on laws of agency, is yes. Perhaps you can summarize JB’s argument otherwise.
Perhaps the GOP should have brought it up when Henry Kissinger was running things.
Obama has a couple people in his administration that are ‘dual’ citizens, but I can’t recall who at the moment. Something that should NOT be allowed, like the millions of ‘dual citizens’ from Mexico.
Since there is no known record of Barry renouncing his British citizenship and no British legal "act" that would have removed his British citizenship (obtained AT BIRTH)...he continues to be a British citizen today and perhaps a U.S. Citizen (assuming birth in HI...yet to be proven).
So, at this point, "best case" scenario for him is he is a dual citizen (British & U.S.). Thus the question, of weather or not International Law (& U.S. Law) recognizes a dual citizen's ability to enter into certain (all?) treaties.
I would add that two wrongs don't make a right.
b.t.w. If you could provide an example(s) of an international treaty that Mr. Kissinger entered into on behalf of the U.S., that would be great for the sake of this discussion. Thanks.
i'd be tooo funny if some little sh!t country in the un ask the Zer0 to see proof or something...
It’s not so much that his father was a British subject, and thus he is a British subject under *British* law, but rather that his father was *NOT* a US Citizen, that is problematic. US law, common or statute, doesn’t care what British law, especially statute law, has to say.
Secretaries of State only negotiate treaties, they do not enter into them. Only the President can do that, and it's not a "done deal" until the Senate gives it consent.
Perhaps we should not let dual citizen Senators vote on treaties, at the very least those involving their "other country".
The point here isn't about the Constitutional term NBC, but a rather different "approach."
That being...Is a dual citizen head of state (POTUS for example), prohibited by international law (or even U.S. law) from entering into certain (all?) treaties. If that is indeed a true statement, then it may be yet another reason why Barry couldn't/shouldn't be POTUS...and perhaps another avenue for a lawsuit of a different type and potentially different issues of "standing", etc.
Barry is a dual citizen per himself. He admitted to being born "Governed" by G.B., and says he was born in HI (to be determined). Since there is no record of him renouncing that British citizenship....he is a dual citizen right now. Thus the question.
It would be interesting to hear their responses (if any).
If a President chooses to abide by a non-treaty agreement, he can, on his executive authority, but it does not have the force of law and can be overturned by his successor.
I love this guys work.
That’s from the U.S. (Constitution) perspective. However, to the original question...what about international law? Is there something there that states dual citizen heads of state can not enter into treaties? In other words, international law says they have no authority to represent a single country on some issue?
"He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur"
Since the Senate is squarely in Barry's back pocket, it's not inconceivable that they would ratify a treaty he entered into.
So....back to the question of weather or not a dual citizen has that authority to begin with.
COS Rahm Emanuel is a dual Israeli-American citizen. His father was an Israeli who was part of the underground resistance movement under the British Mandate.
FRIGHTENING STATEMENT Obama has stated that Rahm tells him "everything he needs to know about Israel."
Rham has been trained to organize a civilian security force as a volunteer for “Sar’el”——the three-week Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) training program to train civilians. CIRCA 1991 Rahm volunteered for “Sar’el”——a three-week Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) training program (like US boot camp) where civilians are trained to assist the Israeli military.
Civilians like Rahm lived on an IDF military base to get the proper training. A civilian volunteer, Rahm assisted the IDF during the 1991 Gulf War, repairing truck brakes in one of Israel’s northern bases.
NOTE WELL Pres Obama campaigned on installing a “Civilian Security Force” on US soil. Dual citizen Rahm surely got the top White House job as Obama’s COS based on his Israeli training on how to organize a “Civilian Security Force.” Looking at ACORN’s activities, and the BILLIONS Obama has given them, ACORN is primed for (and is already acting as) a “Civilian Security Force.”
Course if Rahm was paid (or is now being paid) by a foreign government and/or the military, that would negate his American citizenship (US citizens forfeit their citizenship when they serve in the military of a foreign government).
We need to see Rahm's emails and cell phone records to see who he talks to---whether he is taking orders from foreign governments and their military personnel.
BACKSTORY A report in Politico revealed dual citizen Rahm Emanuel retaliated against Americans who criticized Obama's economic stimulus package.
According to Politico, Emanuel “launched a coordinated effort" to intimidate Republican-Americans after a Sunday TV show in which the stimulus legislation was described as a failure. Emanuel apparently colluded with WH officials to maximize levels of intimidation.
Dual citizen Rahm directed that letters from Cabinet secretaries be sent to Republican-Americans (according to two administration officials).
This is supported by the timing, structure, and content of each letter. Not only were the four letters all sent the day following the TV remarks, but they were also remarkably similar in tone and sentence structure, Rep Issa informed Emanuel.
Americans commend Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) for deploring dual citizen Rahm Emanuel's scare tactics, specifically employed by Emanuel to intimidate Americans in the United States Congress. Issa needs to take this a step farther. It is a violation of law to attempt to intimidate or threaten a member of the US Congress.
EMAIL chairman@gop.com
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