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The 1,017 page Health Care bill was not pulled out of thin air!
the mush between my ears | 8/14/09 | klimeckg

Posted on 08/14/2009 11:49:47 AM PDT by klimeckg

You have to ask yourself, after looking through the 1,017 pages of the Heatlh Care Bill, "who conjured this all up?" I mean it's painstakingly convoluted with language beyond my understanding. There was no way that 5 people sat around and pull all of this stuff out of their hat. They had to have referenced something from the past, some sort of play book.

I speculate and I am generalizing, but I suspect that Mr. RANGEL, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. STARK, Mr. PALLONE, and Mr. ANDREWS were assigned early on that in the event their party ever took the WH again, they should take the former ideas of HillaryCare along with Ted Kennedy's ideas and come up with another attempt to pass a health care bill. Obama is not smart enough to add anything to it, and that has shown at all the times he open up his pie hole to discuss it. He has no idea what's in the bill because he has not read it. He is just a a tall, attractive, straw man who reads the teller prompter. To me he is nothing but a smooth talker, snake salesman. I've seen his type and work with them. He knows enough about the product to pitch it but can't go into details because he does not know them.

Can anyone tell me if this bill is similar to HillaryCare and can anyone tell me if these ideas come out of the mind of Ted?


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1 posted on 08/14/2009 11:49:50 AM PDT by klimeckg
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To: klimeckg

For anyone interested in comparisons. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is 1008 pages from cover to cover combined.


2 posted on 08/14/2009 11:52:06 AM PDT by Y2Bogus
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To: klimeckg

One word: “Staffers”.

You can get rid of any Rep or Senator you want; you can get rid of ALL of them. It still won’t make a difference. To make any meaningful change in Washington, you gotta get rid of the staffers. They are the ones that actually write the laws and advise the Congresscritter how to vote on specific bills.


3 posted on 08/14/2009 11:53:22 AM PDT by ForeignDude
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To: ForeignDude
So, it's fair to say, not all, but most politicians are running for office to get a free lunch! Then they use all of our hard earned money, to pay their staff to do the real work while they wine and dine and get cozy with lobbyist?

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."

4 posted on 08/14/2009 12:03:36 PM PDT by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: klimeckg

This bill comes out of years of leftism from “non-profit” foundations owned by pharmaceutical companies. For example, Johnson&Johnson’s Robert Wood Johnson Foundation President S. Schroeder was the head of the Clinton Transition Team on health care and before inauguration had the bill drafted and passed over to Ira Magaziner and Hillary. No, the bill doesn’t come out of thin air. Nancy Ann Min de Parle was an RWJF minion in Tennessee and helped bring TENNCARE into existence, another program on which the bill is based. It’s been a miserable failure. She is Obama’s White House Czar. A group of Hastings Center “fellows” including Dr. Ezekial Emanuel put out all sorts of leftist health care bioethics drivel, and it is the source of some of the nonsense. In short, the whole pile of crap comes down to being the work of a discrete, small group of elitists who have worked for nearly forty years on the content of that bill and they will not be thwarted!!!


5 posted on 08/14/2009 12:05:34 PM PDT by browniexyz
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To: klimeckg

I believe it comes out of the Apollo Alliance.

They are the ones who write all this dangerous stuff and then hand it to Congress to vote on it without their reading a word.

Glenn Beck covered it:

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/the-apollo-alliance/


6 posted on 08/14/2009 12:10:01 PM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: klimeckg

The free lunch is just the perk.

The real reason most run is for relevance and power. Most politicians like the sound of their own voice, they like their visage on TV, and they like being able to determine other people’s fate.


7 posted on 08/14/2009 12:12:31 PM PDT by ForeignDude
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To: klimeckg
Let me explain... the Civil Service (agencies) are stuffed full of job protected government employees (98% of which are Lefties and vote Democrat). They work with Leftist organizations to draft legislation that is remarkably consistent in advancing Internationalism (Communism) and the goals of the International Movement. This legislation is presented to clueless elected officials for passage. The few elected officials who understand the "silent coupe" either, eventually, "go native" because they are sick of fighting the Left (or frightened of blackmail) or just resign. RINO Republicans are either too naive to understand how it works or they sell out for the personal power.

So... the inevitable overthrow of the United States by enemies, foreign and domestic, continues unabated. That Health bill is remarkably cross referenced to destroy American freedom. It was far too well crafted to be an accident....

WAKE UP AMERICA.....

8 posted on 08/14/2009 12:14:25 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: browniexyz
The Silent Coup© by enemies, domestic and foreign continues...
9 posted on 08/14/2009 12:16:23 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: klimeckg

It’s like Porkulus— a combination of “stuff” that has been gathering dust in a desk drawer for 30 years....

hh


10 posted on 08/14/2009 12:24:12 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: All

Thanks for the replies. I now have some more understanding on how this things works.


11 posted on 08/14/2009 1:04:07 PM PDT by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: klimeckg
CAMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE (CAF)

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Phone :202-955-5665
URL: http://www.ourfuture.org

Progressive organization that supports increased taxes to pay for an ever-growing number of social welfare programs
Has received funding from George Soros

Working to “revitalize a progressive agenda” and to “expose the conservative agenda that has made things worse,” Campaign for America's Future (CAF) is a 501(c)(4) non-profit organization that supports tax hikes, socialized medicine, and a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs.

CAF was co-founded in 1996 by: (a) Robert Borosage, who previously served as Director of the Institute for Policy Studies and founded the Progressive Majority Political Action Committee; and (b) Roger Hickey, who co-founded the Economic Policy Institute and was the Media Director for the National Center for Economic Alternatives. Borosage and Hickey also co-founded CAF’s sister organization, Institute for America's Future (IAF) in 1999.

CAF (in conjunction with IAF) focuses its efforts on the following major issues and projects:

(a) Healthcare for All: “47 million Americans remain uninsured and millions of families are plunged into bankruptcy when serious illness strikes. Everyone in America deserves high quality, affordable health insurance. That's why [CAF] is launching a national effort to discuss and debate progressive solutions to the [challenge] of covering all Americans.”

(b) Revitalizing Education: While criticizing the Bush Administration's “No Child Left Behind Act” of 2001, CAF supports an across-the-board increase in federal funding for public education. Specifically, the organization calls for “universal pre-school care [including] health and nutritional programs in addition to traditional academic development activities”; “the expansion of Head Start to all qualified applicants”; “immediate increases in federal school construction and maintenance funds”; “a student-teacher ratio of 15 to 1”; higher pay for new teachers and for “skilled/experienced teachers … working in disadvantaged areas”; “universal access to after-school programs [which] will require increased investment at the local, state and national level”; and more “grants and subsidized loans” for higher education.

(c) Protecting Social Security: CAF seeks to “educate the public about Social Security and the pitfalls of privatization.”

(d) Accountable Congress: In 2005, CAF purchased television airtime to broadcast commercials demanding the removal of then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for ethics violations. The ads solicited donations of up to $2,500. Says CAF: “Tom DeLay is finally gone, and we're not stopping there. We're turning our guns on DeLay’s successors—with the same unapologetic and sustained campaigns to expose their corruption and make them accountable to their constituents.”

(e) Straight Talk: CAF produces both online and print media “designed to serve up ammunition to progressives who have the opportunity to challenge the grip that the right has had on our imaginations and our policies over the past quarter century.”

(f) Energy Independence: CAF helped create the Apollo Alliance, a coalition of labor, environmental, and social justice groups professing a commitment to the development of “good jobs and energy independence.” United by their belief that America is a chief source of worldwide “environmental disruption, rising social inequity, and … fundamentalist anger,” Apollo Alliance's endorsing organizations and partners include Greenpeace, the League of Conservation Voters, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the National Wildlife Federation, the Rainforest Action Network, the Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, and ACORN. Apollo Alliance's National Steering Committee and National Advisory Board members include, among others, Robert Borosage, Carl Pope of the Sierra Club, Julian Bond of the NAACP, Gerry Hudson of the Service Employees International Union, and U.S. Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. Apollo Alliance has also received strong support from the socialist Senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, and from New York Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

(g) Each year, CAF holds a “Take Back America” conference, which the organization describes as “a catalyst for building the infrastructure to ensure that the voice of the progressive majority is heard.” In 2005, prominent speakers at this conference included Howard Dean, Antonio Villaraigosa, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, Arianna Huffington, and Bill Moyers. CAF credits “Take Back America 2006” with helping to secure progressive wins in that year's midterm congressional elections. Participants in the 2006 event included John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Ehrenreich, Jan Schakowsky, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, and AFL-CIO President John Sweeney. Topping the agenda for CAF’s “Take Back America 2007” event were the issues of “affordable education and health care for all”; “the right to join a union”; and “pushing for a vote to get U.S. troops out of the middle of the civil war in Iraq.”

In the 2004 presidential election, CAF partnered with both the Democratic Party and a number of far-left special interest groups in a campaign to oppose tax cuts. The Democratic National Committee stated, “The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, Campaign for America's Future, and dozens of other groups representing millions of Americans to organize a massive public mobilization … [J]oin us by calling and emailing your representatives in Congress to let them know that the majority of Americans oppose more irresponsible tax cuts ...”

CAF also endorsed “Invest in America,” an anti-tax-cut statement supported by: ACORN; Alliance For Justice; the American Friends Service Committee; the Center for Community Change; the Center For Women's Policy Studies; the Children's Defense Fund; the Democratic Socialists of America; the Environmental Working Group; the League of United Latin American Citizens; the League of Women Voters; the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund; the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy; the National Council of La Raza; the National Lawyers Guild; the National Organization for Women; the National Women's Law Center; the Older Women's League; Peace Action; Physicians for Social Responsibility; Planned Parenthood; Public Citizen; the Service Employees International Union; the United States Student Association; Veterans For Peace; and Women's Action for New Directions.

CAF’s co-founders (in addition to Borosage and Sweeney) and advisors include, among others: Peter Barnes of Redefining Progress/Working Assets; Ann Beaudry of People for the American Way; Mary Frances Berry, former Chairman of U.S. Civil Rights Commission; Susan Bianchi-Sand of the National Committee on Pay Equity; Julian Bond of the NAACP; Heather Booth, founder of the Midwest Academy; John Cavanagh of the Institute for Policy Studies; Jeff Cohen of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting; Mitchell Cohen, the co-editor of Dissent magazine; Ken Cook of the Environmental Working Group; Barbara Ehrenreich, Honorary Chairman of the Democratic Socialists of America; Columbia School of Journalism professor Todd Gitlin; Heidi Hartmann, President of the Institute for Women's Policy Research; longtime radical leftist Tom Hayden; Bullitt Foundation President Denis Hayes; former National Organization for Women President Patricia Ireland; Illinois congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.; Rev. Jesse Jackson; Robert Kuttner of the American Prospect; Harold Meyerson, Vice-Chairman of Democratic Socialists of America; former U.S. Secretary of Labor Robert Reich; Arlie Schardt, President of Environmental Media Services; Susan Shaer, Executive Director of Women's Action for New Directions; Andrew Stern, President of the Service Employees International Union; John J. Sweeney, President of the AFL-CIO; and Leslie R. Wolfe of the Center for Women Policy Studies. The late feminist icon Betty Friedan also served as an advisor to CAF.

A notable Senior Fellow for CAF is Rick Perlstein, a political commentator for the Village Voice.

CAF has received funding from George Soros, the Agnes Gund Foundation, the Arca Foundation, and the Rockefeller Family Fund.

In March 2008, CAF presented its Lifetime Leadership Award to Norman Lear, recognizing him “for his work as both a groundbreaking television producer and an outspoken progressive activist and benefactor”; for “fighting the rising influence of the religious right in American politics”; and for founding People for the American Way, “an organization that has been a staunch critic of the right and a fierce defender of the principle that progressive Americans must have their faith and their patriotism acknowledged and respected.” CAF also honored Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky “for her advocacy in Congress.”

At its March 2008 “Take Back America” conference in Washington, DC, CAF joined six fellow leftist organizations in announcing plans for “the most expensive [$350 million] mobilization in history this election season” — an initiative that focused on voter registration, education, and get-out-the-vote drives. The other members of CAF’s coalition included MoveOn.org, Rock the Vote, ACORN, the National Council of La Raza, the Women's Voices Women Vote Action Fund, and the AFL-CIO.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7331

12 posted on 08/14/2009 2:57:41 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: klimeckg

http://www.google.com/search?q=%221825+K+Street,+NW++Suite+400++Washington,+DC++20006%22&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&start=10&sa=N


13 posted on 08/14/2009 4:14:51 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
I speculate and I am generalizing, but I suspect that Mr. RANGEL, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. STARK, Mr. PALLONE, and Mr. ANDREWS were assigned early on that in the event their party ever took the WH again, they should take the former ideas of HillaryCare along with Ted Kennedy's ideas and come up with another attempt to pass a health care bill.

14 posted on 08/15/2009 8:18:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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