Posted on 11/04/2009 11:24:50 AM PST by RonnieFan
Two words… “Barbara Boxer,” the mental midget for whom no US surrender is too quick, no tax too high and no government program too big.
Sometimes the smart fight is the good fight and a partial victory better than a moral victory. California is not a red state or a purple state where a RHINO is a defeat. It is one of the bluest of the blue. BHO won California by 24% and 3,000,000 votes. BHO won here by more votes than the total votes cast in New Jersey last night! Boxer won her last race by 20%.
You may say… what about the recall of Gray Davis for the then conservative Arnold or Christie’s win in New Jersey last night…doesn’t that show a conservative can win in a liberal state? Sadly voters are much more likely to blame a politician at the executive level such as governor than at the congressional level. Many who voted for Arnold later voted for their liberal representatives in Washington and Sacramento.
More importantly, Boxer has a huge war chest already and is personally one of the wealthiest Senators in Washington. Besides loads of money, she’ll have the teachers and other powerful unions behind her. It will take a billionaire to beat her, even if that billionaire is a RINO.
I’ll do this even though I like everything I heard and read about Chuck DeVore. That’s because I live in a state that may make Jerry “moonbeam” Brown both the youngest and oldest governor to serve here.
I think you forget that Chuck DeVore’s already BEEN elected in California and has quite an impressive record fighting against the democratic expansion of taxes and programs. I give Californians more credit maybe than you do.
This is not like NY-23 where Hoffman was a no-name, and the republican candidate endorsed the democrat. And Hoffman did come pretty close.
Again, what possible difference is there in having Fiorina or Boxer? NONE! Your time is better spent trying to get the nationals to pump some money into DeVore so he can compete!
How is she more conservative than Devore is the question you need to ask yourself.
It would depend for me on how “republican” she actually was. If she’s a 70% or 80% republican, I think in California that would be good, especially if she’s a good fiscal conservative and will vote against health care and cap and trade.
But once you get below that 70% number, I wonder whether giving the democrats a “bipartisan” vote is worth it.
Carly Fiorina = Epic fail.
“So, beating Boxer is more important than sticking to principles?” Electing someone more conservative than Boxer (which is just about anyone) is principled. If someone more conservative than Fiorina with a legitimate chance of winning jumps in the race, I’ll support them in the primary. To me DeVore is not that person; he has neither the name recognition nor finance to take on Boxer.
Principals and pipe dreams are two different thinks.
Again, there are plenty of races coming up where conservatives can win in the primary and in the general election. This just is not one of them.
“Winning no matter what. Sounds a lot like the donkey party to me.” Considering on virtually every survey I’ve seen the DEMS are and have been on the wrong side of every major issue, they’ve done okay in pushing their agenda
Will Rogers said, “I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.” It seems finding ways to get persons that don’t agree 100% with each other to nevertheless go a long, works.
Paul Horcher ring any bells for you, Ronnie?
“RINOs always stab you in the back, especially when you need them the most. I’ll take a Dem over that.” Really?
There are plenety of RINOs in the senate, yet only one has partially left the reservation on Obamacare. If a couple of those RINOS were DEMS, it would be law.
We don’t know that. You are taking a committee vote and extrapolating it upon the whole Senate.
Answer my question about Paul Horcher.
You live in a liberal wasteland so I can’t blame you. I live in Maryland which is nearly as bad. Ehrlich was a pretty good conservative who won Governor. But he was defeated easily in his second term.
That’s the way it is here. If it were me I’d support the best conservative candidate in the Primary but I would vote for the yucky RINO in the GE if she won.
But, I’ll never do that on a National basis. I ll never do that again after McCain. It’s a conservative or bust for national elections.
Again, I believe... elect a conservative where you can and a RINO where you must. CA 60 is no must for a RINO.
The issue is different as to President. A Conservaitve should win the primary. The problem arises with the battles of the various “no I am the more conservative” dividing the vote and attacking each other in a lot of key states.
In case you opted not to do your homework, Horcher was a Republican who, when the Republicans got a majority in the CA Assembly (1994), voted for Willie Brown for speaker of the CA Assembly, thus (being a RINO) gave the Speakership to a radical liberal Dem, there in your own state.
What’s a “CA 60?”
I may be wrong, I thought Horcher was from the 60th Ass. District.
He was. Your point?
Check YOUR vanity title Ronnie....
You asked me what was CA 60. I answered. My greater point is that the 60th was not a liberal district. A RINO should have never been elected there in the first place.
I supported Tom McClintock in the 2003 governor recall and would do it again. He is a true conservative, a very persuasive candidate and 2003 was at a time when the state was so fed up with Davis, a true conservative could win.
{sigh}
Nice try. You did not explain away what I said about Horcher. He’s proof positive what I’ve been saying about RINOs, and you neglected the point. A RINO will even screw you over about who’s Speaker.
Game over. You lose. QED.
Go talk to somebody else, I’m logging off, victorious.
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