Posted on 12/24/2009 10:21:25 PM PST by cogitator
WTF?
exactly- the fella spins the ‘science’ every bit as much as the criminals involved in climategate- CO2 rises AFTER warmign happens- the science is settled on that- but the fella apparently is in spin control as their precious dollars for funding is seriously at risk
It does make more sense that CO2 rises after the atmosphere warms. But to what levels? 0.045 percent? Yahoo! Minuscule.
for antyone interested i nthe REAL science without hte spin- and the relation of CO2 to NATURAL WARMING CYCLES (which incidently, taxign hte snot out of carbon producing businesses won’t do a stinkin thing to ‘correct’ the natural wamring cycles that have occured for 1000’s of years):
“And not only that, but it follows behind the rise in temperature by about 800 years. ... yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940. ... Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). ....
First off, it is very important to address the fact that Earth is not the only planet to be experiencing climate change in our solar system currently. In fact, many astronomers have announced that Pluto has been experiencing global warming, and suggested that it is a seasonal event, just like how Earth’s seasons change as the various hemispheres alter their inclination to the Sun.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5086
Hmmmm- wonder how many humans are on pluto causing the warmign htere?
“National Geographic News reported that a simultaneous rising in temperature on both Mars and Earth suggest that climate change is indeed a natural phenomenon as opposed to being man-made. The report further explains how NASA has reported that Mars’ carbon dioxide ice caps have been melting for a few years now.”
Once again- Eeeeeek- glaciers melting? Must be man’s fault eh?
[[An astronomical observatory in Russia declared that, “the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun”. ]]
Doh! Ya mean it’s NOT man’s fault? But but but- al Gore and his sheeple say it is?
Well I am a physicist. I have seen the absorption lines of CO2 and they are very narrow, as would be expected with a simple non polar molecule. If the whole atmosphere were CO2 I don’t think it would be much warmer.
Using an arguement ad populum isn’t going to work. Believe what you want, but the reason a good argument hasn’t been presented to the public justifying AGW is because there isn’t one.
and lo and behold- the earth’s atmosphere is now cooling again (thanks to the purely natural FACT that the sun spots have diminished- just as REAL scientists have been claimign for years- only to be drowned out by the ‘man-caused global warming’ drones/agendists in the IPCC and in CRU that masquerade as scientists claim) DESPITE the FACT that we’re pumping more CO2 into the air than ever before, the sun has less spots, and we’re infact colling once again- just liek the earth has ALWAYS done following purely natural cyclical warmign and cooling trends
Spoken like a True Believer.
"All hail and k*ss the *ss of our savior, Algore."
You probably get light-headed and all tingly-legged when Algore preaches the undeniably true gospel of global warming.
[[Well I am a physicist. I have seen the absorption lines of CO2 and they are very narrow, as would be expected with a simple non polar molecule. If the whole atmosphere were CO2 I don’t think it would be much warmer.
Using an arguement ad populum isn’t going to work. Believe what you want, but the reason a good argument hasn’t been presented to the public justifying AGW is because there isn’t one.]]
Thank you! And you’re right- there isn’t a good argument because the FACTS refute the agendists ‘arguments’ (which sadly aren’t much more than ad hominem attacks on htose that point out hte real scientific facts)
Just for kicks — I read your about page.
Bully for you for doing databases, it often pays well.
But my doctorate *IS* in gas-phase molecular collision theory. So unlike Mr. Rabans at the New York Times review of books, prostrating himself before Paul Krugman because he admits he doesn’t understand, I looked at the leaked Hadley CRU emails. What a crock of unspeakable shit.
My doctoral thesis involved (as one of the checks) having to reproduce predictions of individual quantum mechanical state-to-state cross sections from published literature results going back some twenty years, which were obtained by different mathematical methods than the ones I was using. My code reproduced the results to three and four decimal places.
These clowns can’t even reproduce their OWN results from five-seven years ago, to even the same order of magnitude as the results they are claiming to see.
And they openly admit fudging the data — in the collection, in the weighting, in the analysis.
And openly connive to hold back publication of rival papers, while accelerating their own “rebuttals” — in collusion both with the editors of the journals, and with “objective” New York Times reporters.
One of the guys at Livermore mentioned in the Hadley emails that he has better things to do than submit results to someone who is only going to try to find faults with it.
That’s what science IS...!!!!!
And then you have literal, explicit mention of seeking to remove editors from journals, and preventing papers from being published ‘even if I have to change the meaning of what peer review is’ (paraphrase).
Not to mention emails detailing international money laundering (structuring) to avoid Russian taxes — and lo and behold! the group begging for it connected with the cherry-picking of the tree-ring data.
These clowns should be barred from all professional societies and stripped of their positions. Period.
Nice try, though.
Oh, come one...you don’t believe that, do you? Are you a “denier”? A “flat-earther”? /sarc
These people like Gore, Markey, Inslee, Boxer et al should be brought up on Federal charges.
There was an article this am statign how NY lakes were ‘freezing over 2 weeks later’ (of course they didn’t state later than when?) and how this was ‘undeniable verification that climate change is real’, and then the article went on to exclaim with much fervor and alarm how we must all act now ‘before it’s too late’ (Note that the article only claimed there was ‘global warming’ and not that ‘man was responsible’ but then implied that man was to blame without coming right out and making the FALSE claim- Very subtle word manipulations which are meant to deceive people into thinking we’re the cause and we must spend vast amounts of money to pay for our sins and ‘fix’ the quote unquote problem)- The mainstream media and the agendists on the IPCC and CRU are nothign but a bunch of government paid charlatans deceivign hte world
[[These clowns should be barred from all professional societies and stripped of their positions. Period.]]
But yet our govenrment and governments all over the world wil lcontinue funding htese criminals
Cheers!
[[These people like Gore, Markey, Inslee, Boxer et al should be brought up on Federal charges.]]
That’s what I’m praying for- I’m praying out of defense- that God will blow htis fraud wide open and that all those invovled will be brought to trial for harming al lthose that they’ve swindled out of hard earned, much needed money via taxes and fines over the years- they caused even worse poverty amoung those who could least afford it, and apaprently they had no problem sleeping well at night after doing so? May they rot in prison where they belong
A capital idea!
and htose clowns can’t even keep their stories straight while they are tryign to scam us- now they’re tryign to blame fleurocarbons on cooling:
“Canadian Physicist Blames Fluorocarbons for Global Warming-Predicts 50 Years of COOLING
Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:44:30 PM · by Shellybenoit · 20 replies · 364+ views
The Lid ^ | 12/24/09 | The Lid
... You remember those fluorocarbons, every aerosol can used to be loaded with the stuff until we found out they were putting a hole in the ozone layer. The fluorocarbons were removed and since 2002 the ozone layer has been closing and the earth stopped warming. Qing Bin-Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy at Canada’s University of Waterloo took a look at the interaction between cosmic rays and chlorofluorocarbons and predicts that global warming has disappeared, maybe for the next 50 years This peer-reviewed paper was published in the prestigious online journal Physics Reports, Lu, who holds a Ph.D....”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2414828/posts
We have to keep the pressure on these people, these frauds. My rep, Inslee, is one of the worst. He loves the House Health Scare bill also. We cannot let these folks forget, so we have to continue to email, fax, write, protest even after the bill passes. We cannot let Americans - who by a wide margin do not want these bills - forget come next election. Name names. Point fingers. To do anything else is to capitulate. And that is not acceptable.
It may takem ore than that I’m afraid- there seems to be soem lawsuits finally coming out (which quite frankly should have happened immediately after climategate was exposed- one would htink lawyers would have more than eager to jump all over those frauds right from the start- but meh- hopefully those frauds wil lget their butts handed to htem through lawsuits- Al gore too)
Science doesn’t “bug me”. Guys who post things and then run away, unwilling to defend their opinions bug me.
And that’s what we’re talking about here, our opinions. There isn’t enough real data to show one way or another what the long term impact of CO2 on climate is. We’ve only been measuring temperatures for about 160 years and the data there is largely invalidated by changes in the local environment of the recording stations. The whole “Nature Trick” aspect of “Climategate” is that the admission by the individuals in East Anglia that the climate models decoupled from the recorded temperatures in the early 1960s which proves that the climate models the people supporting global warming are using are not valid - a fact they sought to conceal by the “trick” of simply not showing the “proxy” data on their hockey stick graph after 1980 (in order to “hide the decline”.)
Show me another 500 years of recorded data from standard monitoring stations around the world. Correlate the temperatures with the CO2 partial pressure of the atmosphere and I’ll believe in global warming. Without the data it’s just someone’s opinion and someone’s opinion isn’t a reason to dismantle our entire industrially dependent civilization.
Merry Christmas.
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