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NASCAR places Edwards on three-race probation
NASCAR.COM ^ | March 9, 2010 | Dave Rodman

Posted on 03/09/2010 10:33:51 AM PST by Salo

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To: Salo
Check out this take by Jay Hart at Yahoo sports:

Okay, here’s where I pull on the reins a bit. I know the kneejerk response is to yank Edwards aside, toss him in jail and throw away the key. But before we go all Dr. Laura on him, let’s consider the facts:

Fact 1: Within just the last year, Keselowski has caused more crashes than malware. Yahoo! Sports blogger Jay Busbee has documented at least eight incidents involving Keselowski.

Fact 2: At least two of those incidents involved Edwards, one of which sent him flying through the air.

Fact 3: Keselowski wrecked Edwards’ day early in Sunday’s race.

Now, I know a lot of you are screaming, “BUT KESELOWSKI DIDN’T DO IT INTENTIONALLY,” and you’re right. But just because you didn’t do something intentionally doesn’t mean you’re off the hook.

When I’m driving on the highway and I’ve got some idiot cutting me off at 75 mph after making a four-lane change, I’m ticked. He just put me in danger for no other reason than his own impatience. And if we wreck, you better believe I’m going to let him know it was his fault EVEN if he didn’t mean for it to happen.

Just like there are rules on the highway, there are rules on the racetrack, albeit unwritten ones. While most drivers follow them, Keselowski acts like he’s above them all.

The fact is, his aggressive driving style has directly ended a lot of races for a lot of drivers and cost team owners hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in crumpled-up race cars.

All of this had to be going through Edwards’ mind Sunday. Putting myself in his shoes, if I’m seeing Keselowski through my windshield, running for a top-10 finish while I’m 100-plus laps down thanks to him, I’m ticked. I’m thinking to myself, “There’s no way this guy deserves a top 10, not after what he did to me.”

And so he sent the message that a lot of people inside the Cup garage have wanted to deliver.

One last point: I think you have to separate the action from the result. What Edwards did was not part of a pattern of bad behavior, so let’s not respond by treating it as though it’s an epidemic that must be dealt with swiftly and firmly in order to send some kind of message. Any messages that need to be sent already have been: Edwards clearly knows not to do that again, and Keselowski (hopefully) has gotten the hint that his way of doing business has consequences.

41 posted on 03/09/2010 5:24:07 PM PST by GBA
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I think that even most conservatives aren’t against police enforcing laws against trying to wreck into someone with their car at 200 mph with a reckless disregard for whether or not their target or people in the area get killed. For example, if this didn’t happen on a race track but on the freeway, would it make me an Obama shill to want the perp arrested? Is this really that different? If you think it is, OK, fine. I don’t. It goes WAY beyond acceptable behavior, even on a race track.


42 posted on 03/10/2010 7:43:08 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: GBA

He needs booted off the track, too, then...


43 posted on 03/10/2010 8:17:05 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: opentalk

Yup, and those flying parts can kill. So Edwards didn’t just put the other drivers at risk, he easily could have killed some spectators.

NOT acceptable behavior. Hope they sue the #### out of him!


44 posted on 03/10/2010 8:19:16 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: piytar
I understand how someone seeing the footage would feel as you do, but my guess is that you're not a NASCAR fan and don't watch races. You don't know how regulated and tightly controlled NASCAR is. You don't understand racing and what happens in a race. They wreck at very high speeds, whether the cause was intentional or not, in every race. Every race. The restrictor plate races seemed to be set up so there will be spectacular 190+ mph crashes.

You also are likely unfamiliar with the COT car and its very effective safety features, nor have you seen the many spectacular crashes its been in since being introduced.

You likely missed Edwards' crash last year (with Brad K) when he climbed out of his destroyed car and ran across the finish like Ricky Bobby.

You also seem to be confusing a 190+ mph race track with a freeway and mistake what goes on in a race for what happens in rush hour and are trying to make the two equivalent. They are not. Not even close.

The only thing I can agree with is the potential for fans to be injured, but that exists regardless of whether or not a wreck was accidental or intentional.

What you probably aren't aware of is Keselowski is a very aggressive, but somewhat inexperienced, driver. He was being schooled, nothing more. The car flew because of the wing, something I blame NASCAR for more than I blame Edwards for. Had the wing not been on the car, it probably would have spun out, maybe hit a wall, tearing up the car and ending the race for Keselowski, which is what Edwards seem to expect, as that is what usually happens. For what it's worth, NASCAR knows the wing makes the cars fly if they get turned around and they are doing away with it.

Bottom line? It's racing. It's a small fraternity of drivers and they race with each other almost every weekend for most of the year. Let the drivers and NASCAR handle it. Watch a race sometime. You might like it!

45 posted on 03/10/2010 8:27:01 AM PST by GBA
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You make some good points. I’ve been to two NASCAR races - apparently exceptionally “clean” ones - at the Brickyard and had a TON of fun, but don’t really follow the sport. Been thinking about getting into it.

I’m far more into motorcycle racing (Go Spies!), but need another sport during summer. (I’m really a football, hockey, and to a much lesser extent hoops fan. NOT into watching grass grow while two guys play catch aka baseball.) May give NASCAR a whirl this summer.

To my original point, if this is part of the sport, then there is consent, so I was wrong calling for charges...


46 posted on 03/10/2010 8:34:50 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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I have no problem with letting drivers work things out by themselves, but I do have a problem with a driver that is 150 laps down with no chance to improve his position working things out with another driver running in the top 10. Bottom line: it cost Edwards nothing to wreck Kesel.

So the new NASCAR sanctioned paradigm for working things out is for a driver to wait until he’s destined for a high 30’s finish and then get even with as many cars as he can, (but he can only do it once every 4 races). Brilliant!


47 posted on 03/10/2010 8:50:16 AM PST by vamoose
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What happened last weekend is "just racin'" as they say.

If you get a chance, watch the races at Bristol March 19-21. It's basically a half mile roller derby/demolition derby with 850 hp cars at over 100 mph. Lots of hot tempers, wrecking and torn up cars. I thought I'd hate a short track race until I saw my first Bristol race. Pure racing insanity.

48 posted on 03/10/2010 8:58:39 AM PST by GBA
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The incident, not the probation, had to rattle Danica Patrick. It will be interesting to see how hard she runs in NASCAR.

My guess is she goes to where there is the least resistance to fame & $$$. So that means a movie deal or such. But not winning at Nascar and not winning at Indy.


49 posted on 03/10/2010 10:40:37 AM PST by valkyry1
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To: vamoose

If we’re going to talk theory, here’s mine: had Edwards done this to almost any other driver, he would have been drawn and quartered. This was as much as message to Brad K as anyone else: as you reap, you sow.


50 posted on 03/10/2010 10:59:20 AM PST by Salo
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To: McGruff

When drivers are actually going for position, NASCAR gives them a lot more leeway. When you’re 140 laps down, it’s just pettiness.

IMHO, Edwards should have waited until he and Keselowski were going for position and taken him out when it would have been more justified.


51 posted on 03/10/2010 11:07:15 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: SouthTexas
Sponsor Scotts sends warning to Edwards and Roush

Carl Edwards‘Scotts appreciates the support of NASCAR fans everywhere, and we have an excellent relationship with Carl Edwards, Jack Roush and the #99 Roush Fenway Racing team.

However, like many fans,

we were very concerned about the on-track incident that occurred in Atlanta this past weekend. As a result, we have strongly expressed these concerns to both Carl and Jack, and we are confident that they have a clear understanding of the trust we have placed in them as ambassadors of our company,

our associates and our brands. In addition, as a sponsor, we want to make sure that drivers, race teams and NASCAR focus on keeping these types of incidents and misjudgments from happening.’

Carl v Matt

Wrecks Jr in horrible crash Daytona>

Slams into Jr during caution Michigan

52 posted on 03/12/2010 6:17:13 AM PST by WestCoastGal
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