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Were Russian security services behind the leak of 'Climategate' emails?
Daily Mail ^ | 06th December 2009 | Will Stewart and Martin Delgado

Posted on 03/24/2010 1:34:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Suspicions were growing last night that Russian security services were behind the leaking of the notorious British ‘Climategate’ emails which threaten to undermine tomorrow’s Copenhagen global warming summit.

An investigation by The Mail on Sunday has discovered that the explosive hacked emails from the University of East Anglia were leaked via a small web server in the formerly closed city of Tomsk in Siberia.

The leaks scandal has left the scientific community in disarray after claims that key climate change data was manipulated in the run-up to the climate change summit of world leaders.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: amazongate; carbontrade; climatechange; climatechangedata; climategate; criminalconspiracy; czechgate; glaciergate; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; globalwarmingscare; ipcc; pachauri; pachaurigate; scandinaviagate; whistleblower
Not sure if this has been posted...but ran across this specific article while looking for info on the Home of Uniengine Corp....which also is in Tomsk.

Only point is that Tomsk has knowledgable computer technicians....

1 posted on 03/24/2010 1:34:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Tomsk office from which emails may have been leaked

2 posted on 03/24/2010 1:35:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

All of this concern about “who leaked them” and total disregard for what is in them (no longer is the talking point, “these are forgeries”).


3 posted on 03/24/2010 1:35:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From comments:

Here's what readers have had to say so far.

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"a treasure trove of unused carbon emission permits that could be sold"

And that, my dears, is what its all about. A new currency that enables corporations to avoid taxes and help themselves to tax payer funded grants. Jones and his co-conspirators should be charged with obtaining monies by deception. There is no doubt that there was the prospect of prolonged public funding behind these misrepresentations. This is just the tip of the iceberg and if the Russians are involved in exposing these frauds then they deserve our gratitude not our criticism.

- Ray, Liverpool, 06/12/2009 09:37

4 posted on 03/24/2010 1:37:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
More comments:

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Our MPs were up in arms when their withheld expenses were leaked to the public, and now East Anglia is up in arms now that their attempts to withhold evidence contrary to their opinion has been leaked. Tough. Their failure to grasp the power of the world-wide-web clearly exposes these learned professors as fools.

...................................and now the cat's out of the bag, in it? Big time.

- meridian, Crewe, 06/12/2009 09:19

5 posted on 03/24/2010 1:39:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s the COMMIES!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 03/24/2010 1:40:12 PM PDT by jazzo (Resistance is Futile)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
More comments:

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Putin and the Russian State obviously have most to lose in the next 20-odd years, being the world's most powerful oil and gas exporters, if Copenhagen forces us poor westerners to walk or cycle everywhere in the dark.

I praise the Russians for this act, which is good and right, if they have indeed hacked the CRU.

- David Davis, Lancashire, 6/12/2009 0:54

7 posted on 03/24/2010 1:41:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How far we have fallen when we need the Russians to save us from our own politicians.


8 posted on 03/24/2010 1:42:25 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
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To: jazzo
The once were commies....they did us all a favor....

More comments from the Mail:

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Whoever leaked the emails deserves the Nobel Prize. Al Gore should be stripped of his.

The science behind man made climate change is a load of old hocus pucus.

- Kris, North Sea Region, EUSSR, 6/12/2009 0:14

9 posted on 03/24/2010 1:44:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So why would Russia wish to help the United States avoid the incredible destruction of the global warming fraud and the ludicrous legislation its proponents would implement?


10 posted on 03/24/2010 1:44:15 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: PGR88
And a comment from China:

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Terrorism is regarded as a serious offence.

Conspiring to terrify people with exagerated stories of a global holocaust caused by mankind released CO2 is, not just pseudo science, it is terrorism.

I hope that the police will find and prosecute all those involved in this blatent deception, and attempt to terrify even young children, which is particularly reprehensible.

- Rasta Bob, Zhuhai China, 6/12/2009 0:06

11 posted on 03/24/2010 1:45:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Beowulf; Tunehead54; Clive; Fractal Trader; tubebender; marvlus; Genesis defender; markomalley; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

12 posted on 03/24/2010 1:46:05 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
ore:

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Maybe this Russian connection will get the US media reporting about the CRU scandal.

Up to now they appear to have done their best to suppress the story.

Yesterday I could find no mention whatsoever in the New York Times and CBC refuse to report it.

Suppression of the truth is an obvious sign of lies and propaganda, which is what the man-made GW story is.

This is the biggest conspiracy in the world with the aims of more taxation and control over every aspect our lives with schemes such as "carbon credits" and food rationing will be next.

The Met Office said that they will release 150 years of data. But the ice age ended 13,000 years ago and the Earth must have been warming up then to cause the ice to melt. Only 150 years of data is meant to explain it all?

- Colin Hodgson, Stoke on Trent, 5/12/2009 23:45

13 posted on 03/24/2010 1:47:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Oldpuppymax
It might impact their revenue....

More:

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Amazing in a day and age where supposed man made global warming which concerns us all is pushed on us by our governements for the purpose of inventing new taxes and to increase others (green taxes), when information comes out contrary to their opinion that we should all know about it is considered a leak and police and intelligence sources are used to find the liberators of informations hidden from us! Governments with the use of politically courrupt scientists will try anything to steal money off the workers and this conspiracy of using naturally occurring global warming to fill the coffers/their pockets and pay the increasing army of welfare scroungers under the guise of global warming being man made is rubbish.

- Symon Allen, Amesbury, UK, 5/12/2009 22:47


14 posted on 03/24/2010 1:49:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
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Many scientists already knew that the IPCC gang was corrupting the data and the normal scientific processes. We've known it for years. The leaked CRU documents simply confirm that we were right. They come only as a shock to politicians, media reporters who've been failing to do their duty, and assorted gullible greenies. It doesn't matter who did the leaking. They have done the world a very great service in exposing the fraud. They have also done real scientists and science itself a great favour, but, sadly, it may be some time before the immense that damage the IPCC gang have done can be undone.
The dim-witted blindness of Brown, Milliband, Obama, EU politicians and ilk is an especially major hurdle to be overcome, as the utterly pathetic recent comments by Brown and Milliband all too clearly demonstrate.

- Peter Warlow, Brentwood, UK, 5/12/2009 19:14


15 posted on 03/24/2010 1:52:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PGR88

Amazing eh...


16 posted on 03/24/2010 1:52:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PGR88

And on top of it all,We have to be told
by our enemies of the CHI-COMS”You want more money?””What the hells the matter with you?”


17 posted on 03/24/2010 1:54:22 PM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: All
More....good stuff:

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Lies are Lies and the Global Warming science has evaded freedom of information requests for years... Carbon Tax and big business have hijacked this agenda and its not about saving the planet but profiteering. We need a public inquiry and we need to know what other data is being withheld and most of all we need people like Gordon Brown to shut up as if its all "Nothing to see here" agenda... Fraud has been commited on a massive scale and people need to be brought to boot. Gordon Brown should be looking at investigating fact openly but theres nothing open or truthful about politics nowadays and that needs to be fundementally changed by giving people more power.

- robert calm, Salford, 5/12/2009 18:23

18 posted on 03/24/2010 1:54:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
An investigation by The Mail on Sunday has discovered that the explosive hacked emails from the University of East Anglia were leaked via a small web server in the formerly closed city of Tomsk in Siberia.

This is, IMHO, a red herring. As I understand it, this server was available to the public and the upload could have originated from Al Gore's bedroom or Sarah Palin's kitchen. Linking this to the Russians is nonsense. Although we don't know who the leaker is, we do know that the collection of files was put together by somebody who knew what they were doing. That gives two possibilities that are good Ocham's Razor candiates: An insider put the files together and released them or, the files were put together for an aborted FOI release and were inadvertently left in the open for some clever, but also knowledgeable, person who took advantage of the error. Very likely one of those scenarios is the truth.

19 posted on 03/24/2010 1:55:33 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: a fool in paradise

Man...a lot has changed since this happened.


20 posted on 03/24/2010 1:57:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If the Ski’s released a thousand, if they stole them, they have a hole card of probably many more.


21 posted on 03/24/2010 1:58:52 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; onyx; BOBTHENAILER; ...
Some History~~~!

Ping!

22 posted on 03/24/2010 2:01:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Because Russia wants to supply oil and gas to the world. Simple as that. They are about one thing today,,hard nosed business, and making money. It’s the USA that is getting wrapped up in socialist claptrap, and global warming.

The simple answer is that for them, being rich is more fun that screwing us. If you look at their every move currently, it’s ALWAYS something that strengthens their economy or national pride. They don’t care a whit if their moves hurt or help us economically, as long as it’s good for them.

Thats kinda good for us, and kinda bad.


23 posted on 03/24/2010 2:07:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is just the tip of the iceberg and if the Russians are involved in exposing these frauds then they deserve our gratitude not our criticism.

Great quote. The money behind carbon credits makes health care dinero look like a school kid's lunch money in comparison.

24 posted on 03/24/2010 2:12:19 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER ( EPA will rule your life)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Were Russian security services behind the leak of 'Climategate' emails?

If they were they have earned our gratitude.

25 posted on 03/24/2010 2:14:51 PM PDT by stevem
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Amen....and the UN was ready for the money....for Global Governance purposes.


26 posted on 03/24/2010 2:20:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Russians? Nah! Read the emails and look at the datasets. These were collected by someone who either knew what to look for or were on the verge of complying with a FOIA request. And the selection of material wasn't accomplished overnight - it took time to get it all together.

The Russian involvement only came about because the first release was deleted. So the "perpetrator" had to use another available server on the Internet. By that time, people were already trawling the Internet for the data, so when posted on the Russian server, downloads took place quickly.

I have three separate sets myself.

27 posted on 03/24/2010 2:56:59 PM PDT by etcetera ("Jihad Is Compulsory." Mohammed)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You are right what is on the papers is what is most important.

But if the Russians are the hero's in this story.

THANK YOU RUSSIA!! or likely the KGB.

i only wish the Russians were a closer allies with us. we have the same enemies, there is very little reason we cannot today.

28 posted on 03/24/2010 3:03:27 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And if so, where do we send the thank - you?


29 posted on 03/24/2010 3:14:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

We’ll just buy some oil,...that is what they want anyway!


30 posted on 03/24/2010 3:30:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"An investigation by The Mail on Sunday has discovered that the explosive hacked emails from the University of East Anglia were leaked via a small web server in the formerly closed city of Tomsk in Siberia."
I cannot buy into this. It makes no sense why CRU would use some mail server outside it's immediate control (most probably a UNIX or Linux System within the University proper)to hold so much very sensitive information. Of what value would it be for NASA, HadCRU, and associates in general to use some foreign managed email server. It doesn't pass the smell test for me.
It was an inside job. Someone who knew the laws regarding holding back what should have been all along public information.
31 posted on 03/24/2010 5:51:10 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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