Posted on 05/04/2010 5:12:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is renewed alarm about the possibility of an EMP attack – electromagnetic pulse – on the United States because of Iran's work on a multi-stage Space Launch Vehicle, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
And experts forecast if such an attack were a success, it effectively could throw the U.S. back into an age of agriculture.
"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity," said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. "And that is exactly what I believe the Iranians are working towards."
A recent launch of an SLV by Iran has sparked renewed concern of an attack that could send an electromagnetic pulse powerful enough to wipe out computer controls for systems on which society has come to rely, officials say.
As the G2 Bulletin reported last week, Ronald Burgess, director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, revealed that Iran successfully launched a multi-stage SLV, the Simorgh. The device ultimately could be equipped with a nuclear bomb, which the U.S. intelligence community assesses Iran is developing.
Officials also report Iran has been testing detonation of its nuclear-capable missiles by remote control while still in high-altitude flight...
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Who said it was going to be “easy”?
But what group of urban gangbangers suffering from typhoid or cholera are going to cause problems to a town full of squirrel hunters with long guns?
They won’t be coming in large numbers as it will be days and days of walking to get there and they will be weakened by thirst and hunger unless they are carrying everything they need.
No, the urban dwellers will die off quick, before they can make it to the small towns and villages. Many of those small towns will survive.
It won’t hit 90% death rate. That’s hysteria talking.
On foot? For days without food and water?
We sure as heck could use your skills...it will be very, very, tough. Stick around for a while, please.
Nope, but their facilities in which they use their trade will..........Kinda like a carpenter having his hammer and saw taken away.....
With all pharmacies being cut off from all future drug shipments their stores will become empty within days......
Common injuries such as deep cuts needing antibiotics will be unavailable and quite likely the injured will die due to the unavailability of the common drug penicillin........
And while we're at it, what do you anticipate the life expectancy of a diabetic will be with no access to insulin?
No hospitals, no clinics, what do you think the life expectancy of anyone experiencing a common farming accident such as a severed finger, or severed limb will be without proper triage?
And lets not forget broken limbs which would historically be taken care of in your local hospital? What do you think would be the total recovery of such an accident?
But back to your original premise, no matter how many doctors, pharmacists or pharmacologists there may be in your small but growing community in Missouri, without the medical supplies and functional high-tech equipment, all their medical knowledge combined is useless.............
Diabetics are screwed, sad to say, but you do know you can make penicillin in your own kitchen, right?
I was unaware that things like cuts, severed fingers, and broken bones were not around before modern medicine. Interesting. You would think that we as a species would have died off long before electricity became common.
Oh wait! A Doctor can set a broken bone without an emergency room. A cut can be cauterized without a surgical room.
Did you read anything about what the doctors were having to deal with in Haiti? Amputations with no anesthetics, surgeries under palm trees by torch light, treating illnesses with little medicine and no facilities.
How about that, they did it. And a local nursing home and a local doctors office provides the average small town with a lot more medical facilities that the average city had 100 years ago.
Sure, between fighting off starvation and the roaming bands of starving people fleeing the cities and raiding your farm lands........
keep in mind that you no longer have electrical power or refrigeration............and that you've quite likely already rid your neighboring forest of all squirrels and deer and possum and whatever edible animal that used to wander there.
ok.
“And you live where???”
I live in Texas. God Bless Texas!
Seriously, do you just make crap up?
What roving bands? To get to this town would take days and days of walking from Cape Girardeau and maybe 3 days from Poplar Bluff. Those are the “big cities” around. These “roving bands” would need to be carrying all the food and water they need.
That’s a ludicrous idea.
Do you know what grows on farms? Farm animals. Pigs and cows and chickens. Some farmers keep a stocked pond because they like catfish, and blue gill are common in the ponds to keep mosquitos down. So while squirrel and deer would likely suppliment the towns meat supplies (as it does in normal times), the town wouldn’t be reliant on it.
Penicillin can be made using white bread and culture dishes. (Most high school biology classes have a whole series of petri dishes) Once you get a culture of penicillin growing, you can keep it going.
You're losing any and all credibility you may have had at the start of this thread my friend.
Sorry but your statement is completely bogus and full of crap considering all the international aid that has flooded that country with the latest emergency field triage technology available. And for what it's worth, medical supplies and surgical equipment and personnel are continuously flooding into that country as we speak. And for severe cases, the patients are being airlifted out of the country to facilities abroad that are more equipped to handle their individual cases.
Unfortunately, such medical supplies and equipment will not be available to your little community in Missouri..........That's already been established.
I give up, I'm following the saying:
"Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
You win moron.........
There is the story. Here are a few quotes:
------------- Finally, the doctors decided to do the surgery themselves that night by the moonlight under a mango tree.
"We just sawed his foot off. We didn't have to use anesthesia because he was already unconscious and wasn't feeling a thing," Feliz says.
-------------- As a direct result of the boy's death, a few hours later, at 3 in the morning, the surgeons at the University of Miami hospital decided to build their own operating room. They had no surgical lights, no oxygen, no blood, no ventilators and no monitors. For a tourniquet they used one of the doctor's belts.
-------------- At one point, a 16-year-old boy needed an amputation, but the surgeons asked Feliz and Georges to make sure the boy's kidneys were working before they put him through surgery. Without any blood tests to assess kidney function, the only thing they could look for was urine as a sign that his kidneys were working.
"We tried to see if we could get some urine going, but there was not a drop. We filled him with fluids and gave him Lasix, a diuretic, to get him to pee, but nothing," Feliz says.
The boy died as the doctors were treating him.
--------------- So what credibility do I have now?
“One EMP device wipes out entire world seems a tiny bit over the top”
It is. As for electronics - it is more likely to be a statistical thing - some percentage of “things” fail to work, depending on how much energy they couple into sensitive elements.
The power grid is another matter. Critical node transformers and generators can be destroyed by the coupled energy disturbance to the geomagnetic field (examples of this from soviet-era testing) The problem is not so much that, as it is that making repairs/replacements for these big transformers is not something we do in this country anymore - and they aren’t something you can buy at home depot.
I would guess that after some period of blackout, we’d manage at least some power delivery each day to most places - gradually increasing until we rebuilt major electrical nodes completely.
OK, so we have some people that remember how to make Penicillin out of bread. How are they going to get it distributed when cars, trucks, trains, planes are not working?
And what of the workers? Will the next shift show up when cars no longer run? Unlikely. And those on the job? No matter how dedicated most must leave within a day to see to their own families and chances are will not return.
As to medical supplies, not just in hospitals but across the nation to every local pharmacy, they are all dependent on something called Fed Ex. As we have perfected a remarkable system of instant delivery, guided by computers, local inventories have dropped to be more cost efficient and even for reasons of security with controlled substances, which to ordinary citizens means pain killers. Supplies will run out in a matter of days. Those of us dependent on medications to control asthma, heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other aliments which a hundred years ago would have killed us shortly after the onset. . .will now face death within days or weeks, unless the national power grid comes back on line quickly and order is restored.
Transportation systems would quickly come to a standstill. Coastal regions could be reached by overseas help but the farther inland the more difficult it would be. Another point, when disasters happen around the world who comes to help? The USA. When we need help who in the world would even have the capability to help on that scale? ummmmmmmm....?
Russia and China?
how conveeeeeient!
Alright, I’ll start over a little bit.
An EMP that takes out the whole grid would suck. But it wouldn’t kill 90% of Americans in the first year.
I was postulating that the small town that my Grandparents were from would not only survive fairly well, but would probably add to it’s numbers if they worked together.
The penicillin statements were my assertions that you can locally produce small amounts of medicine. Basic medicines such as aspirin and penicillin can be created for general local use. That knowledge of how to make it is in all sorts of medical and pharmacology books and the EMP isn’t going to destroy that.
If small towns around the nation had a couple of doctors/vets and a pharmacist, they could provide primitive medical care and keep things like simple infections and minor injuries from killing their local townfolk.
Older tractors don’t have fuel pumps (or computer chips).
If this is remotely possible, and our government does to exterminate this possibility, the fault will lie with our government. Not them. We know what they are.
If I were king, ALL of these threats would be dealt with within one week. Done. Over.
I meant ‘does nothing; to stop this
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