Atlantic 'Conveyor Belt' Not Slowing, NASA Study Finds

Science Daily ^ | Mar. 29, 2010

[huldah1776]

LOL thanks!

[fightinJAG]

Highly interesting.

They are looking, looking everywhere and can’t find anything that confirms big-time global warming, much less man-made global warning.

Eh.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

ping.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

ping

[az_gila]

Hey, that “unexpected” word again...

The AGW computer model folks must have been in cahoots with the economic model folks...:^)

[SuziQ]

Hmmm. So that means that even after the NATURAL warming of the earth in the period from the late 1980s to the early 2000s, there still wasn’t substantial enough melting of glaciers to disrupt the Atlantic Conveyor? Good to know.

[SuziQ]

There was some warming in the last sunspot cycle, which typically lasts 11 years, but the new cycle was very slow getting started, and has had a lag time of about 4 years, during which the planet has been colder, on average, than normal. Makes for more severe winters, which we've had the last couple of years, and will likely have again, this year, since sunspot activity is still minimal.

Hubby and I think that if in fact, we are in a solar 'minimum', that it should be named the Hansen-Gore Minimum, to cement, for posterity, the cupidity of those two men.

[Paul Pierett]

Thanks for the ping.

The more I read what the media, NASA and the science magazines print, it appears they are looking for the Holy Grail in the Land of OZ. I tend to remember what a very verbal person said once, “I talk out loud to help my self think and keep myself on track.

Research is testing the waters and they now know one thing untrue of what they thought they were certain of, sea levels are not rising.

How much could they.

The Polar Ice caps have stabilized.

Glaciers are now in question. Some are melting, some growing and some stabilized.

These Scientists should look at the whole Picture, not their piece of the puzzle.

Thanks again for the ping.

Paul

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Hubby and I think that if in fact, we are in a solar 'minimum', that it should be named the Hansen-Gore Minimum, to cement, for posterity, the cupidity of those two men.

Oh I love that statement!

[hadit2here]

“Scientists hypothesize that rapid cooling 12,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age was triggered when freshwater from melting glaciers altered the ocean’s salinity and slowed the overturning rate.”

Now I’m neither a rocket surgeon or brain scientist, so I’m probably rather confused during good times, but I’m trying to understand how there could be a “rapid cooling” at the “end of the last ice age”. I’ve always thought that it was cold during the ice ages with warming coming as they ended. Now these “scientists” say that there was a rapid cooling as it was warming up coming out of the ice age.

Can anyone ‘splain this in plain idiot terms or is this just a global warmist reporter moron’s (but I repeat myself) normal misrepresentation or misinterpretation of the facts of the story and trying to throw in some of his AGW talking points to try to counter the factual data he’s reporting on that doesn’t fit his agenda? (Sorta like putting his fingers in his ears and singing la-la-la-la loudly when anyone tries to show him factual data.)

I know there are “fluctuations” in the temperatures, but rising temps causing the ending of an ice age wouldn’t seem to me to be compatible with “rapid cooling” at the same time. Wouldn’t that bring back the ice age conditions that were just “ending”?

[ANGGAPO]

Where is AlGore when we need him?

[nmh]

They're probably nice people but allot of their audience believes what they say. He adds to the nutcase percentage. I'd rather see and hear a few less nuts, then encourage more of them and see someone profit by it.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

but I’m trying to understand how there could be a “rapid cooling” at the “end of the last ice age”

Hmmmm....maybe it is like the chicken and egg problem....I don't have a good answer.

The Glaciers can't melt without the atmosphere warming up....and we have this ...FR thread:

The deep oceans drive the atmosphere

[fightinJAG]

Good one! And I wholeheartedly agree.

[SuziQ]

My hubby, SirKit, told me to point you to the info on the Younger Dryas stadial. He also mentioned the possibility of a comet strike, about that time, that warmed the glaciers, causing their melting. The water then flowed through what it now the St. Lawrence Seaway system, thus introducing fresh water to the Atlantic, across to where the Gulf Stream comes up the Eastern Coast and messing with the salinity of the water, thus changing the Atlantic Conveyor.

This comet is also conjectured as being the reason for the rapid die off of the Clovis peoples, and the cause of lots of little indentations in the ground throughout the Carolinas. There is another wikipedia article about the Younger Dryas Event, that mentions the Clovis people.

[hadit2here]

Thanks! I’ll be reading a bit more about that. Guess I’m just getting very cynical with reading all the AGW articles in mags that have “Science” in their title and really should call it “JunkScience” instead. Whenever I see the words “computer models” or “forcings”, I figure I’m reading fiction, not anything based upon hard facts. That one sentence in this article just struck my cynic nerve, while the rest of it seemed OK, even if it was reporting NASA climate research.

As far as the physical world goes, I still think that God has a cosmic computer with a game like SimLife on it and he amuses himself by occasionally pushing the “disaster” button to see what happens.

I’m still trying to decide whether the disaster of BO in the white hut is a result of one of his button pushes, or if we just brought that on ourselves. Guess I’m tending toward the latter...

#8^D