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Is The Supreme Court the Ultimate Arbiter of the Constitution?
The Writings of Thomas Jefferson ^ | 28 Sep 1820 | Thomas Jefferson

Posted on 09/25/2010 5:55:09 PM PDT by Jacquerie

You seem . . . to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.

Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is "boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem, '' and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control.

The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments coequal and co-sovereign within themselves. If the legislature fails to pass laws for a census, for paying the judges and other officers of government, for establishing a militia, for naturalization as prescribed by the Constitution, or if they fail to meet in congress, the judges cannot issue their mandamus to them; if the President fails to supply the place of a judge, to appoint other civil or military officers, to issue requisite commissions, the judges cannot force him. They can issue their mandamus or distringas to no executive or legislative officer to enforce the fulfilment of their official duties, any more than the President or legislature may issue orders to the judges or their officers.

Betrayed by English example, and unaware, as it should seem, of the control of our Constitution in this particular, they have at times overstepped their limit by undertaking to command executive officers in the discharge of their executive duties; but the Constitution, in keeping three departments distinct and independent, restrains the authority of the judges to judiciary organs, as it does the executive and legislative to executive and legislative organs. The judges certainly have more frequent occasion to act on constitutional questions, because the laws of meum and tuum and of criminal action, forming the great mass of the system of law, constitute their particular department.

When the legislative or executive functionaries act unconstitutionally, they are responsible to the people in their elective capacity. The exemption of the judges from that is quite dangerous enough. I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves ; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power. Pardon me, Sir, for this difference of opinion. My personal interest in such questions is entirely extinct, but not my wishes for the longest possible continuance of our government on its pure principles; if the three powers maintain their mutual independence on each other it may last long, but not so if either can assume the authorities of the other. I ask your candid re-consideration of this subject, and am sufficiently sure you will form a candid conclusion.

Accept the assurance of my great respect.

(Ltr to William Charles Jarvis, 28 Sep 1820)


TOPICS: History; Reference
KEYWORDS: constitution; founders; jamesmadison; jefferson; marbury; scotus; supreme
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After reading this, what should the response of any President be to a judge who orders the military to accept homosexuals?

(Letter begins at page 277 of link.)

1 posted on 09/25/2010 5:55:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Lady Jag; Ev Reeman; familyof5; NewMediaJournal; pallis; Kartographer; SuperLuminal; unixfox; ...

Constitution ping!


2 posted on 09/25/2010 5:57:06 PM PDT by Jacquerie (We live in a judicial tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: All

Supreme Court has been the big bosses since Earl Warren.


3 posted on 09/25/2010 5:59:34 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Jacquerie

“Boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem.”

It is the part of a good judge to enlarge his jurisdiction.

Timeless Jefferson.


4 posted on 09/25/2010 6:01:47 PM PDT by jessduntno ("If anybody believes they can increase taxes today, they're out of their mind." -- Mayor Daley)
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To: Jacquerie
You can thank John Adams for today's excessive supreme court power. In a typical fit of liberal pique, after losing to Jefferson, packed the federal courts. One of these ideologically like-minded liberals was Marbury of" Marbury v. Madison" which anointed the supreme court to their present extra-constitutional perch.

5 of our first 7 presidents served two terms. The two that served only one term were liberals...and they were both named Adams.

5 posted on 09/25/2010 6:04:18 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Jacquerie

The Federal courts now have powers that were never given to them by We the People. They just took those powers for themselves. This needs to be stopped. No government court should ever be telling US what the Constitution or the Bill of Rights mean. We the People should be telling the government what the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean. That’s our job! It’s what the Founding Fathers intended for us to do.


6 posted on 09/25/2010 6:04:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: Jacquerie

The ultimate arbiters of the Constitution are the people, since the power inherent in it has the people as its source.

“We, the People of the United States...”

Having said that, those who represent us, each and every officer of government, in every branch and at every level, has a sworn duty to correctly interpret and follow the Constitution in every detail.

Just because one officer in one branch breaches that oath, no other officer in other branch has leave to breach his own.

The primary reason the courts are out of control now is that our executives and legislators are refusing to do their Constitutional duty.

Unfortunately, the Republican Party is rotted clear through with judicial supremacists.

And it’s taking down the republic and destroying our liberty.


7 posted on 09/25/2010 6:06:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.)
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To: gorush

Adams and Hamilton serve as evidence that big government liberals always were and always will be.


8 posted on 09/25/2010 6:08:14 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Jacquerie

No! There is a relatively new book, “Nullification,” by Thomas E. Woods. The author’s argument “The Supreme Court itself, after all, although usually pointed to as the monopolistic and infallible judge of the constitutionality of the federal government’s action, itself a branch of the federal government.”
True check on the federal government is the several States. The states have the power to nullify any action of the federal government by a simple majority. Great book just got started reading it. Very timely.


9 posted on 09/25/2010 6:11:44 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: gorush

A total misunderstanding. First, John Marshall was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who wrote the majority opinion in Marbury vs. Madison. And he didn’t say what later judicial supremacists attribute to him.

He did not assert the supremacy of the Supreme Court. He asserted the supremacy of the Constitution, and pointed out that all three branches have the obligation to adhere to it.

I know that’s not what they teach today in the law schools, but I know how to read and have pretty decent reading comprehension skills, and can think for my myself.


10 posted on 09/25/2010 6:14:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.)
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To: Jacquerie

I believe that a fully informed jury is the last ditch.


11 posted on 09/25/2010 6:14:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Jacquerie

Pardon me for posting this again here...
Impeachment of Supreme Court Justices
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Constitution of the United States
Article I Section 2: The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.
Article II Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article III Section 1: The judicial power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behavior, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
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A Supreme Court Justice may be impeached by the House of Representatives and then removed from office if convicted in a Senate trial, but only for the same types of offenses that would trigger impeachment proceedings for any other government official under Article I and II of the Constitution.

Article III, Section 1 states that judges shall hold their offices “during good behavior.” The courts have interpreted the phrase “good behavior” to be the same level of seriousness as “high crimes and misdemeanors”.

So, although the mechanism for doing so exists, NO Supreme Court justice has EVER been “removed from office” by the Senate, and ONLY ONE Supreme Court Justice has ever been “impeached” by the House of Representatives.

In 1804, the House of Representatives accused Samuel Chase (a signer of the Declaration of Independence) of letting his political leanings affect his rulings, and served him with eight articles of impeachment. One article concerned Chase’s handling of the trial of John Fries; two concerned his conduct in the trial of James Callender; four concerned Chase’s procedural errors on various matters; and the eighth article had to do with Chase’s “intemperate and inflammatory”; “indecent and unbecoming”; “highly unwarrantable”; and “highly indecent” remarks made to a Baltimore grand jury. In 1805, the Senate acquitted Chase of all charges, establishing the right of the judiciary to independent opinion. Chase continued on the Court until his death in June 1811.

In 1957, Georgia Governor Marvin Griffin signed a resolution passed by the Georgia General Assembly titled “The Impeachment of Certain U.S. Supreme Court Justices”. The resolution targeted six Supreme Court Justices (Earl Warren, Hugo Black, William O. Douglas, Tom Campbell Clark, Felix Frankfurter, and Stanley Forman Reed) who were believed to be enabling communism with their decisions “for usurping the congressional power to make law in violation of Article I, Sections I and 8”, “violations of Sections 3 and 5 of the 14th Amendment”, and “nullification of the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.” Nothing ever came of their efforts. Signs were erected across the south saying “Impeach Earl Warren”, many of which were still standing when Warren retired from the bench in 1969.

Abe Fortas (served from 1965-1969) was almost impeached due to a tax and financial scandal involving Wall Street financier, Louis Wolfson. When President Richard Nixon learned of the scandal, he said Fortas should be “off of there”. The House of Representatives had already taken preliminary steps toward impeachment. Chief Justice Earl Warren urged Fortas to resign, to save the reputation of the Court. Fortas resisted at first, but eventually stepped down “to avoid damaging his wife’s legal career”.


12 posted on 09/25/2010 6:14:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Jacquerie

Please teach your children how to read the constitution and THE BILL of RIGHTS.


13 posted on 09/25/2010 6:17:11 PM PDT by mirkwood (Jackie is the love of my life)
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bump


14 posted on 09/25/2010 6:17:22 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Jacquerie; All
Pennsylvania State Supreme Court Judge John Bannister Gibson agreed with Jefferson here in his famous dissent in Eakin v.s Raub, who wrote "The judiciary must be a peculiar organ, to revise the proceedings of the legislature, and to correct its mistakes; and in what part of the Constitution are we to look for this proud preeminence?"

In the Anti-Federalist Papers, "Brutus," generally believed to be New York State Supreme Court Justice Robert Yates, likewise warned what would happen with an out-of-control activist judiciary, writing in his 15th essay that "The supreme court under this constitution would be exalted above all other power in the government, and subject to no control."

15 posted on 09/25/2010 6:20:50 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

>>We the People should be telling the government what the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean. That’s our job! It’s what the Founding Fathers intended for us to do.<<

Thirty years ago i wouldn’t have had any problem with that. Now with this multiculturalist, hyphenated sickos I am unsure.


16 posted on 09/25/2010 6:22:11 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Jacquerie
For those who desire an anti-Federalist critique of this issue, please read Brutus #12, Part 1, especially the explications that follow the essay.
17 posted on 09/25/2010 6:29:02 PM PDT by Publius (The government only knows how to turn gold into lead.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Time to start instruction.


18 posted on 09/25/2010 6:30:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jacquerie

seems to me that the extreme efforts made to seperate power and provide checks and balances was an admission by the framers that power corrupts.
Each branch of government is required by oath to uphold the Constitution.
The courts are merely another fail safe to stand between the Constitution and the legislative and executive branches possible breach of the Constitution.
The court actually has no ability to alter the Constitution.
If it fails to properly act in defense of that document it is as corrupted as the other branches and has no authority.
The States, as representing the people have more authority legally.
The Constitution ultimately is the people legal sheild against all of these institutions and empowers them to dismiss them at will.


19 posted on 09/25/2010 6:31:15 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Luke21
Supreme Court has been the big bosses since Earl Warren.

Oh no. It started with John Marshall and the Marbury vs. Madison case in 1803 and has been building gradually ever since.

20 posted on 09/25/2010 6:38:29 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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