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Pa. pair: Baby taken after bagel altered drug test
hosted ^ | Oct 28 | JENNIFER C. YATES

Posted on 10/28/2010 1:38:10 PM PDT by JoeProBono

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To: TexasCajun
Do most hospitals do drug test on maternity patients without their knowledge?

I doubt it but I'd be willing to bet that it will be universal under 0bamacare. Those provisions about neighborhood health monitors indicate a lot of invasive new regulations.

21 posted on 10/28/2010 1:55:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Allegra; humblegunner
Bagels can be very wily.

Time for a new tagline, humblegunner.

22 posted on 10/28/2010 1:55:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Karl Rove: The Republican Jimmy Carter.)
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To: wideawake

To receive a false positive you need to eat quite a bit of poppy seeds.
Several bagels’ worth.

Not only do I doubt that there is a bagel at the bottom of this, but I also doubt that a single positive drug test is the basis for their loss of custody.

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Since you are in the mood to speculate, what is your speculation then for the return of the child and the hospital’s subsequent apology?


23 posted on 10/28/2010 1:55:47 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Lazamataz

Pablo is a bagel. Now you know.


24 posted on 10/28/2010 1:57:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: allmendream

Wouldn’t that also violate HIPPA?

So they can not only lose $, but go to jail.


25 posted on 10/28/2010 1:58:30 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must-like men-undergo the fatigue of supporting it)
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To: Lazamataz; Allegra
Bagels are not only wily, they can make you test opiate-positive.

That's NEFARIOUS and DEVIOUS. Never trust a bagel.

26 posted on 10/28/2010 1:59:59 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: wideawake

I know that when my husband was in the Coast Guard (for 30 years), they told them not to eat poppy seeds on anything. Then supposedly later on in his career, they changed the test that they used or something. I know that to this day, he won’t get within a mile of a poppy seed. lol


27 posted on 10/28/2010 2:02:24 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: I cannot think of a name

Lidocaine and cocaine are quite different - drugdealers use lidocaine to cut cocaine, because they are both edible alkaloids, but their molecular structures are very dissimilar.


28 posted on 10/28/2010 2:04:13 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Alas Babylon!
If it isn't illegal to test someone without their consent and submit those test results to the authorities it should be.

By ANYBODY, let alone the place you go to get healed, have a baby, get your life saved -etc.

Health data is supposed to be specifically protected, and the Hospitals are supposed to be the gatekeepers of that protection!

I am still GOBSMACKED that they would do this? What busy body thought it would be a good idea?

I agree that somebody should go to jail over this, and NOT those whose trust was violated.

29 posted on 10/28/2010 2:06:53 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: I cannot think of a name
Turns out he had been to the dentist the day before and received three injections of something called lidocaine(sp).

That makes sense. All the *caine drugs that I'm aware of are in the same family as cocaine or cocaine derivatives, e.g., Marcaine, lidocaine, Novocaine, etc.

30 posted on 10/28/2010 2:08:16 PM PDT by BuckyKat (Green is the new red.)
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To: wideawake
And do you support their policy of drug testing people without their consent and submitting the results to the authorities?
31 posted on 10/28/2010 2:08:19 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: wideawake

“Lidocaine and cocaine are quite different”

This happened in 1996. The testing company told us they could tell the difference between novacaine and cocaine, but that lidocaine was so “new” that their test could not differentiate properly.

Of course they could have just been lying to cover up some other kind of mistake.


32 posted on 10/28/2010 2:09:48 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: BuckyKat
From what I understand, that’s a legitimate concern.

Yes. Elaine Benes famously flunked a drug test at work for the same reason on a Seinfeld episode.

33 posted on 10/28/2010 2:14:04 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: allmendream
Health data is supposed to be specifically protected,...

It's protected by the government so you don't really expect it to be protected from the government do you?

34 posted on 10/28/2010 2:14:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
If a private company running a Hospital wants my business, they had better protect my Health data as much as possible, and not take and test samples without my consent!

Their policy is preposterous!

35 posted on 10/28/2010 2:22:49 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Lazamataz

Mythbusters proved that this is a real concern. It did show a positive for drugs from just the seeds in a bagel.


36 posted on 10/28/2010 2:27:49 PM PDT by packrat35 (I got your tag line..)
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To: I cannot think of a name

“I wonder how often these drug testing companies get the snot sued out of them? “

Not often enough!


37 posted on 10/28/2010 2:31:25 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: JoeProBono

I once worked for a company that started testing every employee, randomly, at least once every two years. One employee responded by eating a poppyseed muffin, with lunch, every day. He tested positive for opium every time, which required additional analysis to determine that he was not using.


38 posted on 10/28/2010 2:57:31 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: 3niner

Good tactic. Cost them money.


39 posted on 10/28/2010 2:59:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: patton

[ ‘Jameson Health System has a policy in which they test all patients in the maternity ward for drugs, the suit says. But Rose said the level that determines whether a result is positive for illegal drugs is low and not the standard used by many other entities, including the federal government.”

Well, it used to be a free country ... ]

There should be reasonable cause before administerign a drug test. You know actual signs that “hey it may be a good idea to give this persona drug test” you know signs like track marks, unusual behavior, pupil dilation etc...

I don’t like drugs all that much, but I feel that by trying to go all control-freak on them we are taking valuable freedoms away from the innocent. We go after the guilty, but if you go to far you punish the innocent.


40 posted on 10/28/2010 3:01:14 PM PDT by GraceG
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