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An interesting read. I knew about Wilson and the Red Scare. But I always thought that was just related to leftist opposition to WWI. I didn't know his hatred of the Marxists went as deep as it appears to have.
1 posted on 01/02/2011 1:59:56 PM PST by Ditto
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Communism isn’t the only big problem in the world. The income tax and the Federal Reserve both happened on Wilson’s watch.


2 posted on 01/02/2011 2:04:45 PM PST by wendy1946
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Yeah, sure. Maybe we should amend our views on Adolph Hitler as well. He didn’t like communists either.


3 posted on 01/02/2011 2:06:00 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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Wilson was stridently, vocally anti-communist.

So was Fidel Castro . . . until he declared himself to be one.

4 posted on 01/02/2011 2:08:24 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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Wilson was stridently, vocally anti-communist.

Yet he insisted the Kaiser turn over power to the German Social Democratic party. Not the Catholics. Not the conservatives. Only the socialists would do.

5 posted on 01/02/2011 2:14:34 PM PST by SeeSharp
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Hitler was stridently anti communist as well yet I still hold a strongly negative opinion of him. Imagine that.


6 posted on 01/02/2011 2:26:27 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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He was a man of the progressive left who understood the destructiveness of the communist left. He observed how communists lied to and sought to manipulate his fellow progressives.
The problem with this is that "the progressive left" are active enablers of communism.

So the above paragraph translates as follows:

He was an enabler of communism who understood the destructiveness of the communist left. He observed how communists lied to and sought to manipulate his fellow enablers of communism.

Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Kind of like LBJ's opposition to communism. He was willing to send hundreds of thousands of US soldiers thousands of miles away in a (noble) crusade against communism... while at the same time enacting colossal communist edifices at home.

The bottom line is progressives lay the ground work for communists... and are nowadays virtually all active communists themselves.

Sorry, Paul, I don't find Wilson's "anti-communism" very impressive. At the very least, it shows how stupid he was in his inability to connect the dots from progressiveness to communism. At worst (and most likely) he was just engaged in a kind of internecine warfare to see who would be the international leader of communism... himself or Lenin. He just didn't want the snot-nosed roosky to take top spot in the leadership of the global commintern.

8 posted on 01/02/2011 2:28:57 PM PST by samtheman
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Beck and Goldberg are wrong. Wilson was no villain. A fumbling idealist, yes, but not a monster.


9 posted on 01/02/2011 2:29:13 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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I guess one can call Wilson one of Karl Marx “useful idiots”


11 posted on 01/02/2011 2:34:40 PM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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Wilson was stridently, vocally anti-communist.

He was stridently, vocally anti-constitutional nor did he "hold these truths to be self evident . . . " nor pledge his life, fortune and sacred honor to defend those principles.

He is rightly scorned.

12 posted on 01/02/2011 2:39:59 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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My opinion of Wilson is that basically he was a southern Conservative. He tried to masquerade as a progressive when that was in. But, he undermined that agenda and minimized it and at the first time possible he declared it dead. He was a political chameleon who made friends and then repudiated them when it became the thing to do. He was kind of a weirdo-oh. But he was not the leftist Glen Beck makes him out to be.
13 posted on 01/02/2011 2:41:04 PM PST by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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I am reading through Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Facism right now and he writes about Wilson a good deal.


17 posted on 01/02/2011 2:54:44 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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Progressivism is communism light, all the chains of regular communism, but with only half the murders.


21 posted on 01/02/2011 3:11:45 PM PST by infidel29 (Since 0bama is NOT a uniter, can we change the acronym to just plain P.O.S.?)
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Muslims fight amongst themselves all the time. Because one group doesn’t like another doesn’t make either one a paragon of virtue.


23 posted on 01/02/2011 3:14:09 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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Oh, puh-leeze. Wilson “hated” Communists for one reason and one reason alone — all tyrants hate all other tyrants because they’re the competition.


25 posted on 01/02/2011 3:18:00 PM PST by TiAhr-02L
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To another stupid writer:

Wilson was anti-communist?

Really? And that is somehow deserving of respect?

The NAZIs (National Socialists) were also anti-communist.

And the parallel does not end there.

Wilson was a National Socialist, just like all the Progressives out there. They hated the communists because the communists were blatant regarding their end-goals.

Another parallel is that he bridged the Statist ideology of academe with politics. Hitler also bridged that gap. In fact, Hitler had his ass handed to him in his first elections. It wasn’t until academe decided the “evolution” approach to National Socialism wasn’t fast enough that they needed some military muscle. When they picked Hitler as their man, that’s when he one. And that is why academe even in England (who had been on their knees before German academe for over a century) approved of Hitler at first.

The socialists wanted to infect the body populace and brainwash them so that the people would demand to be controlled by the Ruling Elite.

This is why the socialists and communists fought so much, even though they have the same goal.

Socialists get to the intoxication of Statism one shot at a time. Communists chug the whole bottle.

But this is only one reason why Woodrow “the horse-faced” Wilson was a steaming pile of shit. He was an elitist, academic asshole and the damage he caused tens of millions to suffer unnecessarily should haunt him in hell for all eternity.


29 posted on 01/02/2011 3:28:25 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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All very interesting, but the real question is: what did Edith Galt think about Communism? She was the President for much of Wilson’s post war term of office after all.


31 posted on 01/02/2011 3:33:14 PM PST by centurion316
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Communism is just flavor of statism. If someone approves of fascism, but decries socialism, he is simply upset at a challenge to his flavor of statism.

Woodrow Wilson was an anti-communist. He was also the 2nd most destructive statist in the history of the American presidency. There is no conflict, there is only a limitation on scope of terminology.

Hitler was an anti-communist, and a dedicated statist. Just like Woodrow Wilson.


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35 posted on 01/02/2011 4:20:01 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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So the rehabilitation of Woodrow Wilson is occurring. I never thought I’d live to see it.


36 posted on 01/02/2011 5:54:50 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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Wilson came along at a time of transition. In his younger days he'd been rather conservative in a classical liberal Grover Cleveland Democrat way. He took up with the rising progressive movement when he entered politics and they took up with him.

But still, he was far from a Marxist or a Communist. And he never abandoned his racist views. So anywhere you put him on the political spectrum is bound to be an oversimplification.

Wilson's views were a hodgepodge. He'd call himself a liberal on the question of rights and liberties, but he was horrible on civil liberties. He saw himself -- or his supporters painted him -- as a decentralist Jeffersonian, but he brought in bureaucratic control of the economy like no one else.

Europeans have trouble understanding Wilson's moralism and utopianism, but I suspect he would have fit in better in one of the states he helped create than in the US. He supported national self-determination -- that's clear. It's one thing he really believed in during his later years. His confusions about other things are those that Poles or Czechs or Hungarians went through when they tried to figure out just what they wanted government to do and not to do.

The New York Times blog had a discussion of why Wilson is now such a bogeyman for Beck and other conservatives nowadays. People say what you'd expect them to say. I suspect the answer is that he has all the negatives and not many positives.

Wilson was the archetype of the professor in politics, the liberal intellectual, who has done so much mischief in government over the years. He wasn't a popular hero, like FDR, and didn't see the country through an economic crisis. He also can't claim to have decreased racial discrimination, as LBJ could.

39 posted on 01/04/2011 4:06:13 PM PST by x
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He was a Commie. Period.

Regards, Doodle


40 posted on 01/04/2011 4:09:38 PM PST by YankeeDoodleRebel
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