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Researchers find smoking gun of world's biggest extinction
University of Calgary ^ | January 23, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 01/23/2011 12:15:09 PM PST by decimon

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To: chrisser

During the Permian herbaceous matter, such as trees and other plants, would die and be buried under silt. The bacteria that eats such matter today did not yet exist then and this plant material eventually metamorphosed (due to extreme pressure and heat underground) into coal. That is why coal is referred to as a ‘fossil fuel’.

Dinosaurs have nothing to do with the formation of coal, natural gas, or petroleum.


41 posted on 01/23/2011 3:30:41 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: DuncanWaring
A being capable of creating the entire Universe is not capable of salting his creation with a few fossils?

of cousre He could......but why???

42 posted on 01/23/2011 3:41:52 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl; SeeSac
To stir things up; sort of a "test of faith".

A variation of this:


43 posted on 01/23/2011 3:48:50 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bert

Not a joke, just a simple question.


44 posted on 01/23/2011 3:50:23 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bert
Enlightenment is a great help.

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." - Proverbs 1:7

Scoffing will hurt your mind in the presence of such scientific wealth.

Ha!

"For the invisible things of Him, both His eternal power and divine characteristics, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being perceived by the things made, so that they would be without excuse." - Romans 1:20

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." - Psalm 19:1

"Behold, you scoffers, and wonder, and perish; for I work a work in your days, a work which you will in no way believe, if one declares it to you." - Acts 13:41

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts." - 2 Peter 3:3

45 posted on 01/23/2011 4:18:01 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: tumblindice
West Virginia and Pennsylvania mostly.

Laughing...that was clever.

46 posted on 01/23/2011 4:22:57 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Ira_Louvin
Try and laugh if off, but there is no excuse for getting such a basic scientific question incorrect.

And still creationist wonder why the rest of the educated world mocks them.


Was I making a scientific observation? I thought I was illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Perhaps you and the "educated world" need a more finely tuned sense of humor.
47 posted on 01/23/2011 4:28:42 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: SatinDoll

Appreciate the quick lesson.

I thought I was being more obvious than I apparently was.

Contrary to popular opinion, I do know where coal comes from. If you take my remark knowing that, perhaps you’ll think it is funny as I intended - or perhaps not.


48 posted on 01/23/2011 4:31:15 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: SkyPilot
"This could literally be the smoking gun that explains the latest Permian extinction,"...

Using the terminology of hate.

49 posted on 01/23/2011 4:59:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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Toxic Gases Caused World’s Worst Extinction
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Discovery | July 14, 2009 | Michael Reilly
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50 posted on 01/23/2011 5:00:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Scientists Find Signs of Meteor Crash That Led to Extinctions in Era Before Dinosaurs
by Kenneth Chang
February 23, 2001
Dr. Becker, Dr. Poreda and their colleagues had previously found buckyballs at an impact crater in Sudbury, Canada, and in two meteorites. They have also found buckyballs containing similar types of gases in sediments dating from the dinosaur extinctions.

In the experiments, the scientists extracted buckyballs -- not just the typical sphere consisting of 60 carbon atoms, but also larger versions with up to 160 atoms -- from the sediments with organic solvents.

They then opened the buckyballs to release the helium and argon inside them. The nuclei of most helium atoms consist of two protons and two neutrons. A few -- one out of 700,000 helium atoms in the atmosphere -- are a lighter version, with only one neutron. For the helium in the buckyballs, a much larger fraction -- one out of 5,000 -- was the lighter version, similar to the ratio produced by fusion in stars.

The argon indicated a similar story, with low concentrations of a version that is commonly produced on Earth from the radioactive decay of potassium.

"I think the argon isotope ratio measurement is very convincing," said Dr. Kenneth A. Farley, a professor of geochemistry at the California Institute of Technology. "That's very hard to understand if it's not extraterrestrial."
Asteroid 'destroyed life 250m years ago'
by Dr David Whitehouse
Friday, February 23, 2001
Earth's biggest mass extinction 251 million years ago was triggered by a collision with a comet or asteroid, US scientists say. They have reached this conclusion by looking at atoms from a star trapped inside molecular cages of carbon...

In rock layers laid down at the time, there is a much higher concentration of complex carbon molecules called fullerenes that have different types, or isotopes, of helium and argon trapped inside them. These molecules could only have been delivered from space, the researchers say...

The researchers believe these particular fullerenes are extraterrestrial because the gases trapped inside have an unusual ratio of isotopes that indicate they were made in the atmosphere of a star that exploded before our Sun was born...

The telltale fullerenes were extracted from sites in Japan, China and Hungary, where the sedimentary layer at the boundary between the Permian and Triassic periods had been exposed...

The research was made difficult because there are few 251-million-year-old rocks left on Earth. Most rocks of that age have been recycled through the planet's tectonic processes...

Researchers estimate the comet or asteroid was six to 12 km (3.7 - 7.4 miles) across, or about the size of the asteroid believed responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs 67 million years ago...

The mass extinction of 251 million years ago was the greatest on record.

51 posted on 01/23/2011 5:01:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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52 posted on 01/23/2011 5:02:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: decimon; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
...believe they have discovered evidence to support massive volcanic eruptions burnt significant volumes of coal...
They got the idea watching Mike Nesmith's backyard BBQ sketch.

Thanks decimon.
 
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53 posted on 01/23/2011 5:02:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: decimon

I don’t thnk there was enough coal in the affected area.


54 posted on 01/23/2011 5:03:03 PM PST by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: chrisser

Years ago there was commercial that featured cartoon dinosaurs popping out of an automobile gas tank and roaring.

Unfortunately some poor souls out there who don’t know any better believe whatever they see on TV. Not you, obviously, but you get my drift. So I produce the spiel about buried trees and plants....


55 posted on 01/23/2011 5:04:05 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll
"This could literally be the smoking gun that explains the latest Permian extinction,"

I think that most coal comes from the Carboniferous period about 350 mya and way before the P-Tr extinction.

56 posted on 01/23/2011 5:14:56 PM PST by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: Mike Darancette

Yes, you are correct.Carboniferous period it is.


57 posted on 01/23/2011 5:17:11 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: decimon
Gotta wonder why these brilliant academics, products and members of the Scientific Community™ don't spend more time and effort on something that happened yesterday, in geologic time. The Pleistocene/Holocene extinction event ~13,000 years ago that wiped out much of the megafauna on the planet along with much of humankind, has been relegated to over hunting by man when evidence of massive flooding and enormous waves are everywhere. With few exceptions one has to go back to work done 40 - 50 years ago to find any HARD science on the event. I'm sure some of IT is also suspect. Do these academics already know what they'll find and don't like what they see? Or is it possible, or even likely they will fall out of favor with the NSF and other scientific money changers?

Darwin himself had trouble explaining the discontinuities he found in the geologic record. His "theory" had holes in it; he knew it and actually owned up to it. That didn't stop others from taking his work, turning it upside down and creating the theory of evolution from whole cloth.

I truly get P!$$#D about this nonsense. Junk science bought and paid for primarily with our tax dollars.

Well, enough of that. I'll just give myself heartburn...

58 posted on 01/23/2011 7:46:41 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Just mythoughts; SunkenCiv; All

The “hot steaming primordial soup” probably occurred around 3 billion years ago. This event was around 250 million years ago when there were 4 limbed land vertebrates running around. My theory is that a very large boloid may have punched into Siberia and set off the Siberian Trappes. The same thing may have also happened on the west side of India and set off the Deccan Trappes around 65 million years ago. Google Shiva Crater and Dr. Chattergee. If is apparently much larger than the Yucatan Crater that is getting most of the credit for the dinosaur extinction.


59 posted on 01/23/2011 10:57:41 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

The impact that formed the Yucatan crater may have done the job on its own, but it would surprise to find that it was one of a doublet impact, two or more chunks of the same parent body which had broken up prior to the terminal rendezvous.


60 posted on 01/24/2011 6:28:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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