What is the Difference Between Muamar Qaddafi and Abraham Lincoln?

[ml/nj]

Just wondering what people might have to say about this.

Both would say they tried to preserve their union. Both employed military might to do so and killed lots of their own citizens.

ML/NJ

[omegadawn]

Jeffferson Davis ,President of the Confederacy was anti-slavary and the southern congress was already holding hearing on the abloishment of slavary when Lincoln attacked. Davis owned no slaves(adopted a young black man as his son). Neither did General Lee and the rest of the Confederate Generals whereas almost all of the Northern Generals owned slaves. Lincoln was a slave owner. Liberal historians try hide this by saying that the slaves were his wife's not his..

[K-Stater]

Jeffferson Davis ,President of the Confederacy was anti-slavary and the southern congress was already holding hearing on the abloishment of slavary when Lincoln attacked. Davis owned no slaves(adopted a young black man as his son). Neither did General Lee and the rest of the Confederate Generals whereas almost all of the Northern Generals owned slaves. Lincoln was a slave owner. Liberal historians try hide this by saying that the slaves were his wife's not his..

Incredible. There was not a single accurate statement in that entire paragraph. Usually you all manage to have at least one, even by accident. I think that qualifies you for entry in the League of the South Hall of Fame.

What the heck, if you're going to repeat your post I may as well repeat my response.

[dagogo redux]

So, one of your defining characteristics for a “Conservative” is a person who finds the question “reprehensible and offensive.” Others need not consider themselves so? Others “should have no place” at FR?

I have no need for you or anyone else to define me. I’ll define myself, thank you. As for my place at FR, the establishment here can certainly kick me off anytime they please, but, you, sir, probably cannot.

[rockrr]

No matter how many times you say it, it still isn’t so.

[omegadawn]

technically ,Lincoln’s wife owned the slaves. she was from a large plantation family that had a large number of slaves. Grant had slaves until he was forced to free them under the 13th amendment. Unike some people , I don’t get my history from the MSM.

[Siena Dreaming]

Both would say they tried to preserve their union.

Really? Gaddafi is fighting just to preseve a Libyan union?

Part of Libya wants to secede to preserve a slave-holding way of life?

You mean Gaddafi isn't a dictator trying to preserve the absolute power he's held for decades?

Methinks you've got some pretty weird false equivalencies going on in your head.

[rockrr]

Fair enough. BTW, I wouldn’t presume to say who can and can’t post here.

[bcsco]

Well, aren’t you special...

[traderrob6]

Technically if my mother was a man she’d be my father.

[rockrr]

Mary Todd Lincoln never owned any slaves. Period.

[Liberty Valance]

"I thought the Civil War was over."

LOL - The actual Civil War lasted 5 years. It has lasted at least 12 years that I know of here on FR. The outcome remains the same.

[bcsco]

Cotton, of course, became the king of the crops that underpinned the South’s economy. Cotton wasn’t the cause of slavery, slavery came first, but with the development of the cotton gin it made slavery favorable as a low-cost method of harvest. This then was a major part of the South remaining a relatively backward, agrarian region. While several of the Southern states were among the most wealthy, that wealth remained with the slave owners and was used by them to expand their operations instead of finding its way into social growth and development.

Cotton also meant faster soil erosion, so the South’s insistence on westward expansion can also be seen in that light. There is far more to this than can be added here in a few words. But I wonder what Henry Clay, a slave owner, thought of his nephew’s position. I’ve not heard.

[Little Pharma]

Immoral is pretty self expanatory. In ths case, people who believe other people are sub-human and can be OWNED to be robbed of their sweat and talent.

[sueuprising]

“LOL - The actual Civil War lasted 5 years. It has lasted at least 12 years that I know of here on FR. The outcome remains the same.”
Good grief. I wonder what the states would have achieved for the southern people without an economy solely dependent on slavery to succeed. I am an agrarian in my heart, but something of a Federalist in practice. It is just too big a country.

[bcsco]

Good grief. I wonder what the states would have achieved for the southern people without an economy solely dependent on slavery to succeed.

That's fairly easy to answer through a comparison between the North and the South's relative economies at the time. The Northeast was becoming industrialized, the Northwest remained more agrarian yet was itself becoming more industrialized as well. The South remained primarily agrarian. Westward expansion for the North meant a greater market for its goods and services. For the South it meant more in terms of sustaining its most valuable crop.

[Pelham]

Does that include George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?

[bcsco]

Does that include George Washington and Thomas Jefferson?

You have a rather interesting way of asking people to judge others. OTOH, I suspect God has given his judgment on those gentlemen. Not to say I know what that judgment was, but I'm confident it has been given. Perhaps we should all dwell on that...

[mountainlion]

Did I really write that. I was thinking free country mainly in the western territories. I don’t think there was a free world.

[TheBigIf]

Thomas Jefferson himself cursed the immorality of slavery, it was something that he struggled with throughout his life. The original draft of the Declaration condemned King George for bringing slavery here to the United States and he passed the Abolition of Slavery Act as President.

I will never believe that either Jefferson or Washington would of been on the side of the Confederacy. Jefferson would have been appalled at the path his political party took from the Confederate democrats up to their transistion into becoming the Progressive demcorats.

Even today the democrats believe that they can ignore the Constitution at will just as the Confederate democrats believed that they could completley disregard it through unilateral seceesion.

Lincoln had as his purpose to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law against States ruled by a political party that had no regard for the rule of law or for liberty.

This is even more evident by the fact that even after the Civil war the Confederate democrats continue to operate terrorist groups (the KKK) in order to go around the rule of law and to murder republicans and those that they once held enslaved.

This love of rebellion and disregard for the rule of law continued from the Confederate democrats gto the Progressive democrats who were intertwined and both supported the KKK.

I know that many of the Lost Causers here at FR like to believe that they are the most truely aligned with the Founders but they are not. They are more like the libertarians that we see who align themselves with the Progressives and groups like Code Pink. They continually seek to undermine the Constitution.

[GAB-1955]

Abraham Lincoln's ambassador to London didn't shoot a policewoman who was standing by protesters.

Abraham Lincoln didn't order the bombing of a disco filled with American soldiers in Berlin.

Abraham Lincoln didn't send weapons and money to the Provisional IRA.

Abraham Lincoln didn't try to buy nukes from China.

I can go on...

Gadhafi deserves to be hanged from the sign of an Esso station.