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How Slavery Really Ended in America
NY Times ^ | 04/01/2011 | Adam Goodheart

Posted on 04/02/2011 12:04:41 AM PDT by iowamark

...Baker, Mallory and Townsend were field hands who — like hundreds of other local slaves — had been pressed into service by the Confederates, compelled to build an artillery emplacement. They labored beneath the banner of the 115th Virginia Militia, a blue flag bearing a motto in golden letters: “Give me liberty or give me death.”

After a week or so of this, they learned some deeply unsettling news. Their master, a rebel colonel named Charles Mallory, was planning to send them even farther from home, to help build fortifications in North Carolina. That was when the three slaves decided to leave the Confederacy and try their luck, just across the water, with the Union...

...“I intend to hold them,” Butler said.

“Do you mean, then, to set aside your constitutional obligation to return them?”

Even the dour Butler must have found it hard to suppress a smile. This was, of course, a question he had expected. And he had prepared what he thought was a fairly clever answer.

“I mean to take Virginia at her word,” he said. “I am under no constitutional obligations to a foreign country, which Virginia now claims to be.”

“But you say we cannot secede,” Cary retorted, “and so you cannot consistently detain the Negroes.”

“But you say you have seceded,” Butler said, “so you cannot consistently claim them. I shall hold these Negroes as contraband of war, since they are engaged in the construction of your battery and are claimed as your property.”

Ever the diligent litigator, Butler had been reading up on his military law. In time of war, he knew, a commander had a right to seize any enemy property that was being used for hostile purposes. The three fugitive slaves, before their escape, were helping build a Confederate gun emplacement...

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dixie; history
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Fort Monroe, Virginia:

[Seward] replied, “that the Emancipation Proclamation was uttered in the first gun fired at Sumter, and we have been the last to hear it.”

1 posted on 04/02/2011 12:04:43 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark
What does the word ‘Slavery’ mean? Is it a ‘word’ that is only applicable to a specific period of time? What is it called when by acts of Congress and the President supported by the Supremes decree each and every citizen, (as well as unnumbered yet unborn) of these United States are in a perpetual debt for the rest of their days?
2 posted on 04/02/2011 12:31:50 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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Fort Monroe today:


3 posted on 04/02/2011 12:44:00 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Just mythoughts

We have debt slavery NOW.

We have had it since the third central bank, this one is called the FED.

“What is it called when by acts of Congress and the President supported by the Supremes decree each and every citizen, of these United States are in a perpetual debt for the rest of their days?”

Indentured servitude. Our monetary system does exactly this to ALL of us, but MORE to our children.

Debt slavery is NOT capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 04/02/2011 12:50:26 AM PDT by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Just mythoughts

Excellent points!

Thank you!


5 posted on 04/02/2011 12:50:39 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: TruthConquers

Bump!


6 posted on 04/02/2011 12:51:22 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Just mythoughts

here is something for you... slav? what does it mean?

Tell this to the MB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zM_MzkLKPY


7 posted on 04/02/2011 12:56:44 AM PDT by himno hero ("armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"...Barrack Obama)
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To: TruthConquers
We have debt slavery NOW. We have had it since the third central bank, this one is called the FED. “What is it called when by acts of Congress and the President supported by the Supremes decree each and every citizen, of these United States are in a perpetual debt for the rest of their days?” Indentured servitude. Our monetary system does exactly this to ALL of us, but MORE to our children. Debt slavery is NOT capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems to me any type of 'slavery' has 'debt' as part of the equation. Those early settlers certainly bought and sold fellow human beings for the sole purpose to NOT be in debt.

What caught my attention was the way the 'title' was phrased... How Slavery Really Ended in America.

See after a bit of time, much bloodshed, and huge treasury, it seemed that all individuals citizens of this nation finally got the message that all were endowed by our Creator with unalienable 'rights'. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. It does not much matter the cause or purpose, somewhere along our way we as a nation have willingly turned over our individual freedom to social collectivists that now own US.

8 posted on 04/02/2011 1:03:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: dixiechick2000

I appreciate your kind words. Given where we literally are today, the ‘title’ is most misleading.


9 posted on 04/02/2011 1:06:44 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: himno hero
History is what it is. Whom ever originated the concept, apparently NO lessons have been learned by our ‘modern’ supposed learned legislators who have decided they can own US. Some obviously will continue to participate in the process of buying and selling their fellow human beings.

Look at what the supposed purpose is to open up our borders, for our economy. Work at a cheap price for jobs supposedly Americans won't do. Personally speaking I consider this a profit off the labor of non-citizens to pad the pockets of a few. I have often wondered if in the ‘fine’ print of ‘free trade’ agreement if cheap laborers are not part of the arrangements.

10 posted on 04/02/2011 1:19:47 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
And, we have now come full circle: the former emancipated slaves now wait for their monthly welfare checks from the various states or FedGov. They have no skills or motivation or capability to think or fend for themselves (see reaction to occupants of New Orleans, LA when Hurricane Katrina hit). The Civil War-era slaves would be ashamed and appalled by their descendant’s behavior.
11 posted on 04/02/2011 1:29:53 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: iowamark
“I am under no constitutional obligations to a foreign country, which Virginia now claims to be.”

So the Illinois Butcher™, over 600,000 slaughtered©, invaded a sovereign nation. In the Blue Belly's own words it's true.

12 posted on 04/02/2011 2:50:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Freedom is an ideal. Your argument is puerile and not worth debating. I assure you, virtually any bondsman of 1858 would trade places with you in a heartbeat.

No one lives in free from obligations, including the obligation to pay taxes. That our freely elected government has acted irresponsibly and counter to our wishes is true, but that is not the same thing as being the complete chattel of another person.


13 posted on 04/02/2011 4:28:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: central_va

They probably sent these three former slaves up to Point Lookout Maryland, to guard Confederate prisoners and find sport in shooting them whenever they felt like it.


14 posted on 04/02/2011 4:29:19 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

No the prisoners were so mal nourished at Pt. Lookout Md. they could not run. No sport in shooting a scarecrow laying on the ground.


15 posted on 04/02/2011 4:32:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: iowamark

FYI:
http://www.ncobra.org/index.html

The National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America is a mass-based coalition organized for the sole purpose of obtaining reparations for African descendants in the United States.


16 posted on 04/02/2011 4:36:23 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: iowamark

as in most cases, the reader responses are better than the article itself...


17 posted on 04/02/2011 4:44:11 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Pay attention to J. P. Morgan on thus page:

http://www.ncobra.org/events/index.html

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J. P. Morgan Acknowledge Debt for Slavery

J.P Morgan Chase’s disclosure of its predecessors’ complicity in the enslavement of African people came about because of the strategic organizing on the legislative front and the ever increasing mobilizing efforts of Reparations Activists throughout the country. The National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America (N’COBRA) applaud the work of Chicago Reparations Activists, and the legislative efforts of frontrunners like Alderwoman Dorothy Tillman of Chicago, Illinois, for championing legislation which requires companies seeking to do business with the City to disclose records of participation, investment in, and profiting from the enslavement of African people in the U.S. We want other elected officials at the local, state, and federal level and grass roots Reparations Activists to know that the initial effort of J. P. Morgan Chase & Co. is clearly a victory. We must remain confident that our ongoing efforts to organize and mobilize for support of our demand for Reparations will ultimately be victorious
-snip


18 posted on 04/02/2011 4:44:45 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

thus -—should be this


19 posted on 04/02/2011 4:45:58 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: central_va

Might not have been very sporting, but nevertheless they did get shot by black prison guards for sport.


20 posted on 04/02/2011 4:49:26 AM PDT by Venturer
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