Skip to comments.Old times not forgotten: Civil War at 150
Posted on 04/02/2011 7:53:41 AM PDT by JoeProBono
A hush fell over the crowd filling the elegant hall in downtown Richmond, Va. The vote was about to be announced, and a young staffer of the Museum of the Confederacy balanced his laptop across his knees, poised to get out the news as soon as it was official.
Who would be chosen "Person of the Year, 1861"?
Five historians had made impassioned nominations, and the audience would now decide.
Most anywhere else, the choice would be obvious. Who but Abraham Lincoln? But this was a vote in the capital of the rebellion that Lincoln put down, sponsored by a museum dedicated to his adversary. How would Lincoln and his war be remembered in this place, in our time?
A century and a half have passed since Lincoln's crusade to reunify the United States. The North and the South still split deeply on many issues, not least the conflict they still call by different names. All across the bloodstained arc where the Civil War raged, and beyond, Americans are deciding how to remember....
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This one is getting nasty.
You’re too much! Your ‘’country’’ is one of fifty states subject to the laws the rest of the other 49 are. So have at it you deluded fool, for you its 1861 isn’t it?
You are gone. It was supposed to be the other way around, the FedGov was to be subservient to the states EXCEPT for a few things codified in the USC. This is why I think things are hopeless, I come to a site called FREE REPUBLIC, for God's sake, and I get lectured by a foolish Federal apologist(I'm being nice).
“...Your country is one of fifty states subject to the laws the rest of the other 49 are.”
Actually after the Spring of 1863, the Federal Cavalry in the Army of the Potomac handled itself pretty well. It bloodied Stuart’s cavalry at Brandy Station and beat them at Gettysburg on July 3, 1863. Stuart paid with his life fighting the “inept” Federal cavalry at Yellow Tavern in 1864. And it was Federal Cavalry that contributed greatly to the failure of Lee’s Army to escape from Appomattox C.H. in 1865.
Early in the War, the Federal cavalry was hampered by command which didn’t utilize them very effectively and often relegated them to the status of simple scouts and vedettes. By Gettysburg, a generation of younger officers were at the reins (pun intended) who were much more willing to use the Federal cavalry as a mobile fighting force.
The Federal cavalry almost always had the advantage in weaponry (small arms and horse artillery) and in the quality and quantity of mounts (the Giesboro Point Depot alone trained, readied and rehabilitated thousands of cavalry mounts for Federal service).
I would put it this way,
Infantry - even
Cavalry - edge to the South
Artillery - overwhelming Federal advantage
I’m not aplogizing for anything dupe, I can vote for whom I choose. You live in Virgina, one of fifty states in the nation. You can think it separate all you want. Your Confederate utopia is a dream and nothing more.
I disagree that it was their biggest blunder of the war. Frontal assaults against enemy positions were not an uncommon tactic during the Civil War. The federals did the same thing many time (Antietam, Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, Petersburg). I would submit that the Confederacy’s biggest tactical military blunder was not pushing on to Washington DC after the First battle of Manassas in 1861. They were facing a disorganized and shattered Federal Army in full retreat and did not press the advantage they had. Never again did they have such an opportunity as presented itself then.
Sad? Sad fools like you don’t realize that. Where do live?
Just like Madison, Jefferson and Henry. I'm in good company.
Still living in the US under the Stars and Stripes, and the Constitution of the United States, right?
I pay taxes to an empire, the government of the USA has devolved into nothing more than a corrupt entity bullying every citizen in it's path.
So put you f;ing money where your f’ing mouth is Johnny Reb and go out and really do something about if you’re so f’ing fed up with the “Lincoln statists’’ instead of mouthing off on a web-site. You hate the country you’re living in, the “Federal Empire’’? Do something about then, really do something or just shut the Hell up and be grateful you live in the country you do. There are MILLIONS who would gladly come here to have what you do.
You's think that any commander would have figured out the lessons, especially considering how he slaughtered his own troops on the slope at Malvern Hill a little over a year before, and had massacred the Federal Troops storming is army on Marye's Heights outside of Fredericksburg the previous December.
You first. Which S.S.R. is it?
I live in New Jersey, in the United States off America. Where do live Johnny Reb? Are you another one who doesn’t like it here? Then why don’t all of you loud-mouth Lost Causers REALLY do something about what’s bugging you all 150 years later? Put your money where your big mouths are and do something. I dare you... You’re nothing but inter-net loud mouths and real life cowards.
Not exactly original advice... I seem to recall hearing it from Chinese in 1949, Germans in 1933, Russians in 1917...
There are MILLIONS who would gladly come here to have what you do.
And many, many more who would gladly come here to take what you have. And maybe even let you live a while.
Sonny, maybe you shouldn't spend your seven-month anniversary picking so many fights.
I love my State, Virginia, which is currently trapped , by force of arms in 1865, in the Federal Empire formerly a republic called the USA.
There are MILLIONS who would gladly come here to have what you do.
Funny, one of the Federal Empire's missions is to secure the border, they can't even do that.
Restore the republic and my "love" may return. Not holding my breath.
I pay my taxes so that can't jail me yet.
The armpit of Yankeeland, figures.
PS: Your fat RINO Governor doesn't impress.
Sonny, the fact of the matter is you Southerners lost. And your pathetic attempt to compare America today to Germany or Russia of 1933 or 1917 is just that, pathetic. Picking fights? Hardly, despite its faults I live in the greatest country on Earth. Where do live, sonny?
“Sad? Sad fools like you dont realize that. Where do live?”
Name calling and twisting my words - you seem like a guy with a lot of integrity.
I said “Sad” because I do realize what the situation is. Go read it again - take your time. It will come to you.
You seem satisfied with what I consider the overreach of the Fed Gov. Good for you. Life is easier that way I suppose. Some of us are not satisfied with it. It makes me smile to know that it bothers folks like you.
Where I live is not your business.
Great way to miss the point Johnny Reb. What are you going to do about it? You’re a coward. Why don’t you march on Washington or something? Hey, here’s a good idea, start taking pot shots at Ft. Sumter again, get the ball rolling.
Until that time, if ever, I will remain a tax paying subject of the Federal Empire. Hopefully the republic can be restored without war, but you Yankees have a terrible track record. Do I make myself clear.
New Jersey..oh, you live in that SSR. Y’all ought to go out and buy some guns and do something about that- except you pretty much can’t, ‘cause you live in NJ. And if it is so great there....why is it you guys keep moving down here and polluting our space with your socialism, toll roads and other assorted Yankee crap?
“Would this be the RE Lee who impregnated his and his father in laws female slaves so he could profitably sell the female children to brothels? That fellow?”
Would you care to share the source of this information, in order to establish its veracity?
I’m not a socialist , no one prevented me from buying a gun here. I don’t like toll roads either. You’re a teacher? Jeez, I’d love to see what you turn out of the classroom.
Yeah, loud and clear: You’re a coward.
“LOL” Laugh a lot at yourself do you?
Hi Non - still hiding under that new handle? Knew you couldn’t stay away from WBTS very long
The Union was stained with just as much racism as was the South and unbiased historians know this.
Yes, NJ believes in such rights that one cannot even own weapons there without much paperwork and the threat of confiscation. THAT NJ? Can you carry a pistol in your car without registration? Can you have 100 rifles that aren’t registered in your house and carry them to a shoot? How safe are you in downtown Newark unarmed?
My sympathies and warm regards. The War was a great tragedy and destroyed the Republic. We live in post Republic times; there are metaphors in 2nd Century Rome.
No argument there. I’m not happy about the gun laws here but where in America can you legally buy a gun without paper work? And your Confederate utopia would allow guns for all no problem?
Good to see you.
Been gone a long time. I became annoyed with the increasingly vulgar discourse.
Can’t resist this post. Got a live one on the hook.
Obviously you have me confused with someone else.
Howdy Iris7 - good to hear from you. I’ve been keeping a low profile, too. Sometimes you can’t resist jumping in the fray, other times you realize there are non-FR things to be done, other priorities.
jmacusa - The gentleman from Virgina you are assailing is a US Navy veteran. Also, the slur you apply to a conservative North Carolina teacher is egregiously misplaced. You could learn much from both of them if you allow yourself the privilege.
One thing is for sure,like in all wars,there was a lot of mendacious propaganda churned out then and some of it is repeated now.
But the scars and shattered lives caused by the evil Yankee invaders will still be long remembered because it actually happened.
>Would this be the RE Lee who impregnated his and his father in laws female slaves so he could profitably sell the female children to brothels?<
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Lee had a problem. He had to free all the slaves named in his father in law’s will. He had to pay off his father in law’s debts. He had to give the property, unintailed to his children. By creating mostly white female slaves, not named in the will, and selling them at the highest rates, to the brothels, he could accomplish all those things. Doing that was legal, and in accordance with the honor of such a gentlemen. In asserting that he did what was necessary, I do not impugn his honor, but rather the morals of the society which held such behavior to be honorable.
Documentation please. Our maybe you should stop this crap.
You're only glad because you know without the South the USA would be the USSA by now.
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