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Is President Obama making George Orwell's "1984" a reality? (Vanity)
Friday, April 29, 2011

Posted on 04/29/2011 1:45:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

War is Peace. Ignorance is Bliss.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: marxistcoup; obamunism; orwell

1 posted on 04/29/2011 1:45:56 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Obama’s a major variation on a theme started by the Orwellian “Progressives” in the early 1900’s.


2 posted on 04/29/2011 1:47:36 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: MinorityRepublican

I believe the man is attempting to turn this nation into a third world meaningless powerless bannana comunist nation. Not exactly 1984.


3 posted on 04/29/2011 1:48:10 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: exnavy

Then how do you explain our kinetic military action in Libya?


4 posted on 04/29/2011 1:50:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’ more like the ‘collective’ talk talk fight fight

I cannot find the recent article does anyone have a link?


5 posted on 04/29/2011 1:59:29 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’ more like the ‘collective’ talk talk fight fight

I cannot find the recent article does anyone have a link?


6 posted on 04/29/2011 1:59:33 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Ignorance is Strength” …fixed it.


7 posted on 04/29/2011 2:00:01 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’d like to respond to this thread but I think they are monitoring my internet usage...


8 posted on 04/29/2011 2:02:01 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: exnavy

I just think Urkel is utterly incompetent, and corrupt. But it is the environment in which he grew up. ;)


9 posted on 04/29/2011 2:02:55 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Jim 0216
Despite having been explicitly warned against doing so, Americans have been imperceptibly and incrementally trading their liberty for the spectre of security for long before Obama came on the scene. He and his ilk are now simply in a position to ride the wave that started rolling toward us decades ago...


10 posted on 04/29/2011 2:08:02 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: D_Idaho
?Ignorance is Strength? ?fixed it.

You're right. It's been a while since I read 1984.

11 posted on 04/29/2011 2:10:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

George Orwell was very, VERY prophetic. His insight exceeded that of most people. Reminds me of the prescient things our founding fathers said, warning us about what could happen to our government, and it has.


12 posted on 04/29/2011 2:11:11 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Stroking and pandering to the Arab League had much more to do with Libya than the Brits and the French. Follow the money. No one else has it, but the Arab League. And Soros may have dialed up Junior to remind him of that fact.


13 posted on 04/29/2011 2:13:14 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Joe 6-pack

” Americans have been imperceptibly and incrementally trading their liberty for the spectre of security for long before Obama came on the scene. “ =========================

You said it. Simply. In spades.

Now if we could take the battle where it will make a difference. Into our public schools, university and academia, the sedition breeding grounds all. The future is more of the same until we show up on the field of education, indoctrination, revisionism, redaction.


14 posted on 04/29/2011 2:17:43 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Joe 6-pack
Yup. Government continues baiting with the Faustian & Satanic bargain of trading freedom for security and ignorant, gullible people keep taking the bait not realizing they'll end up with neither.

It's the same effect as the trade-off of liberty for "equality." Putting equality before freedom leave you with little of both, whereas putting freedom before equality leaves you a great deal of both.

15 posted on 04/29/2011 2:20:21 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216
Sir Kenneth Clarke was a British Art Historian who led the effort to safeguard the collections of British Museums during WWII; his son later became a Conservative MP. In 1969, Clarke put together a BBC series and companion book titled Civilisation and talked about the underpinnings of the west in what was a clear, unabashed celebration of the greatness of western culture. In defining civilization, I think he sums up why it's so important for the radical left to undermine patriotism, cultural values and western exceptionalism. He writes:

"Of course, civilisation requires a modicum of material prosperity – enough to provide a little leisure. But, far more, it requires confidence – confidence in the society in which one lives, belief in its philosophy, belief in its laws, and confidence in one’s own mental powers. The way in which the stones of the Pont du Gard are laid is not only a triumph of technical skill, but shows a vigorous belief in law and discipline. Vigor, energy, vitality: all the great civilisations – or civilising epochs – have had a weight of energy behind them. People sometimes think that civilisation consists in fine sensibilities and good conversation and all that. These can be among the agreeable results of civilisation, but they are not what make a civilisation, and a society can have these amenities and yet be dead and rigid."

Following Marx's lead, the left has assailed and chipped away at all of the above. Making people feel insecure and anxious not only makes them look for security in others and willing to cede their liberty, it also breaks down and undermines civilisation as a whole.

16 posted on 04/29/2011 2:30:01 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: MinorityRepublican

17 posted on 04/29/2011 2:35:36 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Joe 6-pack
It's inaccurate to say Marx hated the West. His stuff is an outgrowth of the Ideal of Man's ‘Infinite Perfectibility’ which comes right out of the Enlightenment. In doing so it of course denies Original Sin.
18 posted on 04/29/2011 2:41:41 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Liberty Valance

OBAMASPEAK - To say what you want whenever you want and whatever you say at the moment you say it is the truth

19 posted on 04/29/2011 2:43:45 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: D_Idaho

20 posted on 04/29/2011 2:45:09 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yes

Read my tagline.


21 posted on 04/29/2011 2:47:12 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Borges
"It's inaccurate to say Marx hated the West."

Where did I say that he did?

22 posted on 04/29/2011 2:48:02 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Many on the Left follow a destructive meme that owes its origin, substance and methodology to Antonio Gramsci, Herbert Marcuse, Saul Alinsky and the Cloward-Piven duo. There are many others, but these four are the most toxic – and yes, evil – of the lot.

The other meme is that of the dehumanization of humanity itself - the reduction of humankind to things, animals or machines. Look to Marx, Freud, Nietzsche, B.F. Skinner, Dr. Peter Singer and the current crop of so-called ‘bio-ethicists’ for that particular chain of thought. You can hardly ask for something more insidiously evil than that.

Converged and combined, these two streams of thought have served those who have committed the most monstrous crimes in history – These are the killers without conscience.

The book that I am presently writing suggests that the emergence of the will to power as the driving force behind those who have committed those crimes – the slaughter, enslavement, torture and impoverishment of hundreds of millions. As I see it, ideology matters little to those whose desire to control Mankind – it’s merely the horse they’re riding on the eway to dominus terra firma.

We have not seen the end of these monsters, nor will we. The desire to control others – and to harm others – without consequence appears to be ‘black code’ that’s written into our DNA. Modern ideology, that is, all of the modern totalitarian ‘isms’ – communism, socialism, and so on – provide the perfect environment for that ‘black code’ of the will to power to prosper and flourish. This is one of our great human failings, an aspect of our tragic nature that must always be recognized, fought and destroyed, if only for a little while. But for that, we’d be out among the stars by now.

I highly recommend two recent works by Chantal Delsol: Icarus Fallen – the Search for Meaning in an Uncertain World and The Unlearned Lessons of the Twentieth Century – an Essay on Late Modernity. The insights she presents are compelling and fairly leap off the page. The points of disagreement that I have with this author’s works are honest and thoughtful ones. Her European perspective often misses what makes America so unique among the world's civilizations, but is does provide valuable insights as to just why the lights are going out all over Europe. Even so, those points in no way invalidate the main themes of her works.

23 posted on 04/29/2011 2:51:50 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"The Party’s concept of doublethink is contrary to reason, logic, and the workings of the brain." 1984 -- George Orwell
24 posted on 04/29/2011 2:53:47 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: Noumenon
I was exposed to Gramsci in college by (of all things) a conservative history prof who hated the man, and I've always been on the lookout for his particular brand of poison where it subverts culture.

I've heard of DelSol's Icarus but will have to dig into it a bit more deeply based on your recommendation; it sounds like something I'd find interesting.

25 posted on 04/29/2011 2:59:55 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: MinorityRepublican

1984 - and Atlas Shrugged - coming to your neighborhood 2011!!!


26 posted on 04/29/2011 3:02:37 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Delsol's Unlearned Lessons will blow your socks off. Read that one first.
27 posted on 04/29/2011 3:02:45 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Orwellian quote is “Ignorance is Strength”.

“Ignorance is bliss” is a fragment of a poem by Thomas Gray, which is always quoted out of context. The original being “Where ignorance is bliss, ‘tis folly to be wise.” (which curiously does not assert that there is anywhere where ignorance is bliss.)


28 posted on 04/29/2011 3:03:59 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Liberty Valance

bttt


29 posted on 04/29/2011 3:36:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Seems more like ANIMAL FARM


30 posted on 04/29/2011 3:37:47 PM PDT by Conservative4Life (Those who don't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it. Elections have consequences.)
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To: exnavy

You are absolutely right, but I don’t think we should confuse ends and means. He uses 1984 new-speak all the time: “reducing spending in the tax code” “investments” and on and on. That is the means. You stated the ends: “third world meaningless powerless banana communist nation.” Although I might say, he’d somewhat prefer a marxist dictatorship; not necessarily third world because he wants to rule over something that will support him and Michelle Antoinette in the style they’ve become accustomed to.


31 posted on 04/29/2011 4:14:35 PM PDT by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Is President Obama making George Orwell's "1984" a reality? War is Peace. Ignorance is Bliss.

Let's see...

- A tax cheat heading the Dept. of Treasury.
- A black head of the Dept. of Justice calling Americans racial cowards while refusing to prosecute blacks.
- Bragging about how he's cutting the budget in half, after more than doubling it.
- DHS counting the most patriotic among us as the biggest threat.

The list goes on and on of blatant lies and contradictions, aimed at the same goal as Big Brother: to cause cognitive dissonance, denial, and acquiescence.

Most of us will see reason thusly: "If it were as bad as I think it is, there's no way he he get away with it. We're not Venezuela or Weimar Germany, after all. I must be missing something here."

This self-doubt renders us impotent. The lack of outrage and action among those with the most political power serves only to reinforce our self-doubt. ("Surely they would do something if things were as bad as I think they are. I must be mistaken.")

You glance over at your husband or wife with a look of incredulity, as if to ask, "Am I losing my mind or did he just say what I thought he said?"

You talk to your coworkers the next day and ask, "How in the world can he expect to get away with that?" They look at you with the blank faces of pod people, and you realize he already has. He could tell them we're going to subsidize unicorn breeding and they wouldn't question anything except "more wasted taxpayer money". They'd think it's just the usual party politics, and maybe a bit over their heads.

The truth seems so obvious that, when he talks right past it, the listener immediately doubts himself. That's the technique of "The Big Lie" in a nutshell. Outflank the "argument" defenses and attack your opponent's sanity.

During the State of the Union address, one man shouts out, "You lie!"...while everyone else applauds. There should've been a couple hundred people in that chamber murmering among themselves, and then standing up demanding the truth, and then walking out in protest. But instead they turn on the sane one.

The best antidote for the mind-game poison we're being served is to yell with Congressman Joe Wilson, "You lie!" Just be sure to do it in private, or risk being called a nutter by the pod people. As one prescient FReeper said a couple years ago, this is about to become a dangerous place for the sane.
32 posted on 04/29/2011 4:15:56 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Noumenon

You have Freud and Nietzche wrong. There work is a lot more complex than “reduction of humankind to things”. At core Nietzche was a defender of Classical Western Culture.


33 posted on 04/29/2011 5:36:42 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Joe 6-pack
Yes. Ultimately, it's a spiritual issue and a spiritual battle.

Our country began in the worst of conditions in so many ways. One of many examples is Jamestown, this county's first settlement, which was almost wiped out by a mysterious plague. Washington's strategy in the first part of the Revolutionary War was...retreat. Valley Forge, what probably should have been the end of the war, instead miraculously created an army that the greatest military power on earth couldn't defeat. In the battle of 1812, the British had overrun and burned down an abandoned Washington D.C., when a storm came through that was so powerful, it drove the troops back to wherever their base of operations was.

This country was founded by praying Christians whose faith and whose God saw their way through the toughest of times. I know personally that faith in the Lord is why I can trust Him in my efforts and not man or government.

We've moved far from the "In God We Trust" people we used to be and are susceptible to the subtleties and snares of opportunists who hate America and America's values of Life, Liberty, and Happiness. Do we still have Divine Providence on our side? Are we still the home of the brave and the land of the free? I think these are the underlying issues that will decide our fate.

34 posted on 04/29/2011 5:37:34 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Borges
At core Nietzche was a defender of Classical Western Culture.

In some alternate reality. Not this one.

35 posted on 04/29/2011 8:36:21 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Noumenon
Let me guess...you've never read him right? He was a philologist. He almost single-handedly revived study of the Ancient Greeks in Europe. A lot of the more deleterious things attributed to him were actually forgeries written by his lunatic sister.
36 posted on 04/29/2011 9:19:35 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Wrong again. Philosophy - one of my majors. Read all of Walter Kaufman’s translations and commentaries. You know who I’m talking about.


37 posted on 04/29/2011 10:17:18 PM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Noumenon

I’ve read some of Kauffman’s stuff. The notion of N as a proto-Nazi is a complete slander. He hated German Nationalism and was not anti-semitic. Leftists hate N with a passion. He was no mealy mouthed liberal. His oft quoted “God is Dead” line was describing a situation he saw taking place in the Europe of his day. Religion didn’t have the sort of sway that it once had.


38 posted on 04/30/2011 6:21:30 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
Take a tour through Voegelin's assessment of Nietzsche - you might find an interesting and informative perspective there.

I never claimed that Nietzsche was a Nazi or proto-Nazi. That's a trope for lesser minds. And a strawman from you.

Sure, Nietzsche was a philologist - one of his greatest works was Beyond Good and Evil where his philological background came into play in this interpretation of those words. But you must also remember that Nietzsche also called for the transvaluation of all values in an attempt to liberate the concepts of good and evil from what he believed were the unnecessary and foolish constraints of moral and religious thought. I recall that Nietzsche was inordinately fond of the term 'religious naiserie' - a bit of a giveaway with respect to his attitude towards traditional morality.

But there's no dispute that Nietzsche's ideas were co-opted and wrongly interpreted by the National Socialists to serve their own ends.

I stand by my original claims with respect to Nietzsche's insight that, with the waning of the Christian virtues of mercy and restraint, something would fill that vacuum. That something, according to Nietzsche, was the will to power. History has proven him - and me - correct.

39 posted on 04/30/2011 7:20:23 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Noumenon
For example... The teaching that matrimony is a sacrament gives to a clergy the judging of the lawfulness of marriages and ecclesiastical censure for divorce... The government of men's external actions by religion, pretending the change of nature in their consecrations cannot be esteemed a work extraordinary, it is no other than a conjuration or incantation, whereby they would have men to believe an alteration of nature that is contrary to the testimony of sight and of all the rest of the senses.
40 posted on 04/30/2011 7:22:56 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Get back to me when the news media represents a Ministry Of Truth style arm of the government where.......uhhhhhh.........ruh-roh.


41 posted on 04/30/2011 7:27:29 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Noumenon

He was describing an existing condition in the Europe of his time. The late 19th century saw everything in terms of evolutionary development and not just biological. Everything was getting bigger and better and the Church did not have the sway that it had in the pre-Industrial age. It’s not his fault that his ideas were co-opted. He was an imaginative writer and is not to be taken at completely face value.


42 posted on 04/30/2011 7:38:33 AM PDT by Borges
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To: MinorityRepublican
The telescreen was giving forth an ear-splitting whistle which continued on the same note for thirty seconds. It was nought seven fifteen, getting-up time for office workers. Winston wrenched his body out of bed -- naked, for a member of the Outer Party received only 3,000 clothing coupons annually, and a suit of pyjamas was 600 -- and seized a dingy singlet and a pair of shorts that were lying across a chair. The Physical Jerks would begin in three minutes.

'Thirty to forty group!' yapped a piercing female voice. 'Thirty to forty group! Take your places, please. Thirties to forties!'

Winston sprang to attention in front of the telescreen, upon which the image of a youngish woman, scrawny but muscular, dressed in tunic and gym-shoes, had already appeared.

'Arms bending and stretching!' she rapped out. 'Take your time by me. One, two, three, four! One, two, three, four! Come on, comrades, put a bit of life into it! One, two, three, four! One, two, three, four! ...'

43 posted on 04/30/2011 7:43:35 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Text of: 1984 by George Orwell
44 posted on 04/30/2011 7:52:43 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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