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Apple unveils new iMac with next-gen quad-core processors, graphics and Thunderbolt I/O technology
Mac Daily News ^ | Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:38 am

Posted on 05/03/2011 9:03:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker

Apple today updated its signature all-in-one iMac with next generation quad-core processors, powerful new graphics, groundbreaking high-speed Thunderbolt I/O technology and a new FaceTime HD camera.

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To: tacticalogic
> If it’s such a financial drain, why do you keep doing it?

Who said it was a financial drain? It's a question of what satisfies the requirements of the task at hand.

When I have a task that can use something available commercially, I buy it pre-built. OTOH, when I need something that's not available commercially, I build it myself. Simple. I have no agenda -- I only do what's necessary to get what I want to do the job I have to do.

My point was that adding up the initial acquisition cost of a batch of inexpensive PC hardware, and comparing that price to that of a pre-built high-end Mac that comes with support, etc., is a silly comparison that misses some important factors, that's all.

21 posted on 05/03/2011 12:07:12 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: astyanax
components gaming computer good internet and office computer
processor 
mobo 
memory 
video card (good one) 
power supply 
case 
22” monitor 
Windows 7 Pro $50 (if you know where)

$200
$100
$50
$150
$50
$20
$150
 $50 (if you know where)
AVG - free

Under $800 for a good pc that will game, assembly time less than an hour.
Not interesting in gaming? Use onboard video and knock $150 off the price.
Of course, not everyone is comfortable with technology, or building their own computer.
I’m wondering what these “hidden costs” are that need to be factored in?

$70
$70
$45 (4gb) $60 (8gb)
$0 onboard video (Radeon HD4200)
$25
$20
$135  (23" monitor)
 $50 (if you know where)
Microsoft security essentials (free)

$280  Computer
$135  monitor
$405  total


22 posted on 05/03/2011 12:20:17 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: astyanax
> (... list of components and prices...) Of course, not everyone is comfortable with technology, or building their own computer. I’m wondering what these “hidden costs” are that need to be factored in?

For you, or for me, the system you describe is a good deal. You forgot a hard drive, so I mentally added $75 for a good 1TB HD.

Now find the average Win/PC consumer, sit them down, and describe the process to them:

- determining the proper technical specs
- verifying compatibility (e.g. CPU to mobo to memory)
- checking half a dozen vendors to see who has the best prices on ten or so items
- placing orders
- waiting for delivery
- assembly
- checkout/debug

and explain that they can save a few hundred bucks compared to a pre-built system, by doing all those things.

The vast majority will tell youthat a) they can't do it, and b) even if they could, it's not worth the time and hassle.

For you and me, homebrew makes sense.

But my FRiend, we are in the vast minority. The fact that some people can build their own computers (or cars, or houses) does NOT mean it is a useful or viable option for the vast majority of people. For those folks, a pre-built Win/PC or Mac makes much more sense.

Side comment: I used AVG free anti-vir for a couple years, and decided I was tired of the slowing effect on my work. And the free versions of AVG (and Avast, etc.) are not as effective as the paid versions.

23 posted on 05/03/2011 12:20:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dennisw

You’ll need a hard drive on that computer.


24 posted on 05/03/2011 12:23:45 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

$45 for 1 terabyte Samsung eco-green 5400RPM ..saw at New Egg Yesterday. It had a minimum of pissed off reviewers compared to others


25 posted on 05/03/2011 12:25:58 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dayglored; astyanax
> ...we are in the vast minority...

Oops, that was supposed to be "tiny minority". Majority can be vast (as later in same sentence).

26 posted on 05/03/2011 12:26:29 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Add hard drive-— $450 total


27 posted on 05/03/2011 12:27:05 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw
> $45 for 1 terabyte Samsung eco-green 5400RPM

Surely you jest, 5400 RPM? You must have much more patience than most people. I consider 7200 RPM a minimum, and occasionally have paid a little extra to get 10K RPM for good disk performance (e.g. WD Velociraptor).

Overall, I've been very disappointed in the performance of the "green" drives. They sacrifice too much in the name of smaller energy drain. They do have their place, say in point-of-sale or other low-demand applications. But a system I use daily for real work or play? No way. I replaced the 5400 hard drive in my portable with a 7200; made a noticeable and pleasant difference there too.

28 posted on 05/03/2011 12:32:11 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Samsung eco-greens are “fast” 5400 RPM. I have read many review where people say this. Find it more responsive than their 7200RPM

Of course all things being equal 7200rpm drives are faster but...


29 posted on 05/03/2011 12:37:46 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dayglored

HDD! Oops, yes, I forgot.
I’d spend $100 and pick up a 2 TB Seagate.
Hard drives and power supplies are two items I’ll spend a bit extra on. Worth it in the long run.
(I also forgot a CD/DVD writer. $20)
The main factor in price is if you need one “now” or if you can wait until a deal comes along.
Just last week I picked up an i3 processor and mobo combo for $99. Added $40 in memory, used an existing case and power supply and my daughter has a huge upgrade at minimum expense.
Granted, that wouldn’t be possible if I didn’t have hundreds of dollars in “parts” around from prior upgrades, but with 6 computers in the house, “homebrew” is the only reasonable option if I want to stay current (and solvent) ;)


30 posted on 05/03/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: dayglored

“Sure, no problem! What’s time worth, $2/hr?”

Man, did you wonder here from the DU? Time only worth $2/hr??


31 posted on 05/03/2011 1:08:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: dennisw
> Samsung eco-greens are “fast” 5400 RPM. I have read many review where people say this. Find it more responsive than their 7200RPM Of course all things being equal 7200rpm drives are faster but...

I'm sure their Marketing Department has come up with some inventive way to demonstrate that "less is more", such as carefully selected test results that work on having data in a local cache, etc. Or they've got some very intelligent controller that optimizes for certain conditions common to (say) Microsoft Office tasks. You are correct to say that "all things being equal 7200rpm drives are faster"... marketers don't bother with such technical details. They're only interested in headlines.

But as we all know, rotational speed and seek times are based on physics, not marketing. :)

And while you -can- find dumb 7200 RPM drives that have slower response than intelligent 5400 RPM drives, that's not "all things equal".

And as an aside, you'd be surprised how many people think that because their SATA drive has a 3Gbps serial interface, that they'll get 3Gbps of data from the drive. 20% of that is more realistic. Yet the marketers will quote the interface speed as if it means anything... *sigh*

32 posted on 05/03/2011 1:13:51 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
> Man, did you wonder here from the DU? Time only worth $2/hr??

Hardly. My point was that "saving" $20 of price, by spending 10 hours fussing with something homebrew, is an effective rate of $2/hr.

If you have more time than money, such "savings" can perhaps be justified. But for most people, paying somebody else $20 to do something that would otherwise take you 10 hours, is a bargain.

33 posted on 05/03/2011 1:17:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dennisw

Comments:

What’s with the love of cheap cases? Are you guys masochists? Minimum $50 for something halfway decent.

For the office computer, get a CPU/mobo combo deal at Newegg, pretty cheap.

The PSU prices are for the absolute worst garbage you can find on the market. It will have low efficiency, produce unreliable voltages and will be loud. Don’t think of spending less than $50 for a “good” office computer, and expect to spend over $100 for a good gamer PSU.

“If you know where” for Windows 7 Pro is cheating. You should be paying retail. Add at least $100 even if you claim OEM.

Monitor, $150 is fine for office, but for gaming you want better. LED backlight and IPS with a fast response make a gaming monitor, start at over $200 at 23”.

Keyboard/mouse? Cables? Hard drive?


34 posted on 05/03/2011 1:56:17 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dayglored

Thanks for clarifying that! I was worried about your financial security at $2 per hour!


35 posted on 05/03/2011 1:57:40 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: antiRepublicrat

-It’s a case. You push a button or two on it. Yes, if you want lights and pretty colors, you can pay more.
-Cheap, noisy power supplies can be picked up for $20. You can find a good one for well under $100.
-All my copies of Win7 I picked up for $50. All are registered with Microsoft. Not sure why that’s “cheating”.
Amazon has a Win7 family pack (3 licenses) for $125.
-Samsung 23” monitor (8ms, LCD) $150 at Microcenter.
If you want 5mS response and LED, it’s $180.


36 posted on 05/03/2011 2:35:51 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Swordmaker

Still enjoying my 2010 iMac. Expect to be using it for 3-5 more years at least.


37 posted on 05/03/2011 2:52:10 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: antiRepublicrat
> “If you know where” for Windows 7 Pro is cheating.

Especially if "where" is some fly-by-night internet outfit who is selling stuff that "fell off the truck". Sure, it'll pass WGA and Activation -- it's not a pirate -- but it might be a little bit warm to the touch...

OTOH, all my copies of Windows are strictly legal, no hassles, no worries.

> You should be paying retail.

For most people, yes. In my case, I run so many copies of Windows, between the "on-the-metal" native installs, the three Macs that are BootCamped, and a pocketful of VMs, it turned out cheapest to get an MSDN subscription at the "Operating Systems" level. Pretty much have access to everything, all the latest releases. And I have clean, up-to-date installation ISOs of everything back to Win 3.11, should my little heart desire it.

Obviously, I'm not the average case... :)

38 posted on 05/03/2011 3:12:16 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
My point was that adding up the initial acquisition cost of a batch of inexpensive PC hardware, and comparing that price to that of a pre-built high-end Mac that comes with support, etc., is a silly comparison that misses some important factors, that's all.

Why is it silly? That's like saying comparing the cost of any DIY project to the cost of contracting it out is silly.

I don't see anything in your criteria for whether to build or buy that involves any cost consideration. You'll build computer, but only if you can't buy one with the required specs, regardless of how much it costs.

In that environment, Macs are probably great. How many people operate in that environment?

39 posted on 05/03/2011 3:28:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: astyanax

Don’t know where you are getting your parts, but I pay a lot less for a motherboard/cpu combo than you do. Last one I made was over a year ago, I got a quad core amd mobo combo for about $115. Memory is about right. I got 4 gb last time, now would get 6 or 8.Not sure what video card you are using, i would get a 1 gb model for under $50. Gaming, real gaming, is different. Case with power supply is under $50. Monitor is about $30 high. I get stuff on sale at fry’s or geeks, and when i have everything, i put it together. Made about 8 or so computers over the years. The savings is not so much any more.


40 posted on 05/03/2011 3:35:27 PM PDT by Defiant (When Democrats lose voters, they manufacture new voters instead of convincing the existing voters.)
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