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Teens mauled by grizzly in Alaska
AP/WorldMag ^ | Jul 24, 9:17 PM EDT | RACHEL D'ORO

Posted on 07/24/2011 7:44:14 PM PDT by quantim

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To: free me

NOLS is a pretty good program as far as it goes, but firearms? Not a chance, undoubtedly it has been emasculated like everything else these days.

Bear spray, maybe. Alaska is a whole ‘nuther deal though.


21 posted on 07/24/2011 8:26:43 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: freedumb2003

I remember years ago when I took my six year-old son on his first camping trip. Just the two of us. I had just started the ‘ol Coleman stove when I heard him say “Look Daddy, bears!” It was a mamma black bear and her two cubs about 20 yards away. I scooped my son up and dove into my pickup truck, slammed the doors, rolled up the windows and I pulled out my .45, just in case, as she started to approch us. They soon left, but it was a lesson learned; be aware of your surroundings at all times when outdoors.


22 posted on 07/24/2011 8:30:07 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: quantim

I would not mind seeing a herd of lawyers descend on this one. Unforgiveable.


23 posted on 07/24/2011 8:31:11 PM PDT by HChampagne (I DO NOT TR)
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To: bboop

Wrong gold rush - that was California. The Yukon rush was in the late 1880’s. You’re right about being armed, though. Them boys was armed to the teeth - for food, thieves, bears and claim jumpers.


24 posted on 07/24/2011 8:31:49 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: decimon
My new theory about bears is that no one knows what they might do.

I read an article by an expert on bears years ago in Outdoor life. He said exactly that, not even the bears themselves know what they will do next.

25 posted on 07/24/2011 8:31:49 PM PDT by magslinger (Zombies make up much of the Democrat's base.)
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To: bboop

Wrong gold rush - that was California. The Yukon rush was in the late 1890’s. You’re right about being armed, though. Them boys was armed to the teeth - for food, thieves, bears and claim jumpers.


26 posted on 07/24/2011 8:32:10 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: quantim
It's getting predictable and boring. Can we, once in a while get a post titled:

Grizzlies mauled by teens in Alaska?


27 posted on 07/24/2011 8:34:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: quantim

I won’t even go camping in the lower 56 without a gun.


28 posted on 07/24/2011 8:38:04 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (http://www.durban3nyc.com/. Go there and learn what those who seek to destroy Israel are up to)
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To: Navy Patriot
Skills taught on NOLS courses include backpacking, canoeing, whitewater kayaking, packrafting, caving, rock climbing, fly fishing, horse-packing, sea kayaking, mountaineering, rafting, sailing, skiing, and snowboarding

And the missing skill is......?

29 posted on 07/24/2011 8:49:48 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: Outlaw Woman
And the missing skill is......?

Bear killin?

30 posted on 07/24/2011 8:52:57 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( I love the smell of burning Hope & Change in the morning.)
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To: Dogbert41

S&W 686 with 4” bbl in .357.


31 posted on 07/24/2011 8:55:51 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Marksmanship of course.

But they’re teaching such valuable, life sustaining skills like ‘snowboarding’ instead. /s


32 posted on 07/24/2011 8:58:21 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: randomhero97

M-14 or FAL (you get 20 rounds as quick as you can pull the trigger)


33 posted on 07/24/2011 9:06:25 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Garretts 45-70 an 44mag ammo is good bear stopper fodder....

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/defensive.html

I have a Marlin 1895 an a Ruger No 1 in 45-70.

Garretts hammerheads are purpose built for big critters.


34 posted on 07/24/2011 9:09:59 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: EternalVigilance

They have a name for unarmed folks in grizzly country.

Food.

On, the other hand, if you are armed, bear meat makes for really good sausage.

35 posted on 07/24/2011 9:15:50 PM PDT by norge (Sarah says jump...Higher!.)
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To: norge

Indeed.


36 posted on 07/24/2011 9:20:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Return to the strictures of the Enumerated Powers. The budget will balance.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
And the missing skill is......?

There would be two:

1) Effective outdoor firearms training and practice, and

2) Identification of politically correct training schools at a safe distance.

37 posted on 07/24/2011 9:21:11 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Squantos

With a Bear Behind: Lewis & Clark Meet the Grizzly Bear

Of all the animals the men of the Corps of Discovery encountered on their expedition, the most formidable of all was the Ursus horribilus, better known as the grizzly bear. Lewis and Clark were no stranger to bears, having grown up hunting the grizzly’s smaller cousin, the black bear, which was then commonly found along the east coast. Intrigued by the Mandan Indians’ formidable description of the animal they called the “white bear,” they were eager to try their hand at hunting this fabled beast.

Grizzly bear

Ursus horribilus, the Grizzly Bear

Lewis and Clark began to see signs of the grizzly shortly after they left Fort Mandan in April 1805. Lewis reported seeing “tracks of the white bear of enormous size” along the Missouri, along with mangled buffalo carcasses on which the bear were feeding. The first grizzlies they spotted ran away, giving the Corps a false sense of security. They killed their first grizzly on April 29, 1805, an immature male of about 300 pounds. Lewis bragged in his journal, “the Indians may well fear this anamal equiped as they generally are with their bows and arrows or indifferent fuzees, but in the hands of skillfull riflemen they are by no means as formidable or dangerous as they have been represented.”

Subsequent encounters would prove otherwise. On May 5, William Clark and George Droulliard killed an enormous grizzly bear, with some effort. Clark described it as a “verry large and a turrible looking animal, which we found verry hard to kill    we Shot ten Balls into him before we killed him, & 5 of those Balls through his lights.” Lewis estimated the weight of the bear at 500-600 pounds, about twice the size of the average black bear.  He noted that after the bear was shot, “he swam more than half the distance across the river to a sandbar & it was at least twenty minutes before he died; he did not attempt to attack, but fled and made the most tremendous roaring from the moment he was shot.” Once the bear finally died, they butchered it for meat, bear oil, and its thick furry skin. Sobered by the size and ferocity of the bear, Lewis wrote, “I find that the curiossity of our party is pretty well satisfyed with rispect to this anamal.”

Captain Clark shooting a bear

Captain Clark shoots a bear (illustration from Sgt. Gass's Journal)

A few days later Private Bratton narrowly escaped after being chased half a mile by a bear he had wounded through the lungs. Lewis sent a party in pursuit, which found the bear “perfectly alive.” They finally killed it with two shots to the skull. By this time, Lewis’s bravado had all but disappeared. “This bear being so hard to die reather intimedates us all; I must confess that I do not like the gentlemen and had reather fight two Indians than one bear; there is no other chance to conquer them by a single shot but by shooting them through the brains… the flece and skin were as much as two men could possibly carry.”

On May 14, six men from the Corps of Discovery, “all good hunters,” came upon another grizzly  bear lying in the open about 300 paces from the river. Lewis described what happened next:

they took the advantage of a small eminence which concealed them and got within 40 paces of him unperceived, two of them reserved their fires as had been previously conscerted, the four others fired nearly at the same time and put each his bullet through him, two of the balls passed through the bulk of both lobes of his lungs, in an instant this monster ran at them with open mouth, the two who had reserved their fires discharged their pieces at him as he came towards them, boath of them struck him, one only slightly and the other fortunately broke his shoulder, this however only retarded his motion for a moment only, the men unable to reload their guns took to flight, the bear pursued and had very nearly overtaken them before they reached the river; two of the party betook themselves to a canoe and the others seperated an concealed themselves among the willows, reloaded their pieces, each discharged his piece at him as they had an opportunity they struck him several times again but the guns served only to direct the bear to them, in this manner he pursued two of them seperately so close that they were obliged to throw aside their guns and pouches and throw themselves into the river altho’ the bank was nearly twenty feet perpendicular; so enraged was this anamal that he plunged into the river only a few feet behind the second man he had compelled take refuge in the water, when one of those who still remained on shore shot him through the head and finally killed him; they then took him on shore and butchered him when they found eight balls had passed through him in different directions.

Grizzly bear talons

Lewis measured grizzly bear talons at over 4 1/2 inches in length

That wasn’t the end of the Corps’ close encounters with grizzlies. Lewis recorded that George Droulliard was very nearly caught by a bear on June 2. On June 14, Lewis himself was out hunting when he came face to face with one of the animals he called “these gentlemen:”

I selected a fat buffaloe and shot him very well, through the lungs; while I was gazeing attentively on the poor anamal discharging blood in streams from his mouth and nostrils, expecting him to fall every instant, and having entirely forgotton to reload my rifle, a large white, or reather brown bear, had perceived and crept on me within 20 steps before I discovered him; in the first moment I drew up my gun to shoot, but at the same instant recolected that she was not loaded and that he was too near for me to hope to perform this opperation before he reached me, as he was then briskly advancing on me; it was an open level plain, not a bush within miles nor a tree within less than three hundred yards of me; the river bank was sloping and not more than three feet above the level of the water; in short there was no place by means of which I could conceal myself from this monster untill I could charge my rifle; in this situation I thought of retreating in a brisk walk as fast as he was advancing untill I could reach a tree about 300 yards below me, but I had no sooner terned myself about but he pitched at me, open mouthed and full speed, I ran about 80 yards and found he gained on me fast, I then run into the water    the idea struk me to get into the water to such debth that I could stand and he would be obliged to swim, and that I could in that situation defend myself with my espontoon; accordingly I ran haistily into the water about waist deep, and faced about and presented the point of my espontoon, at this instant he arrived at the edge of the water within about 20 feet of me; the moment I put myself in this attitude of defence he sudonly wheeled about as if frightened, declined the combat on such unequal grounds, and retreated with quite as great precipitation as he had just before pursued me.

Lewis climbed back on shore, no doubt with his legs trembling, as he watched the bear run away at full speed. “The cause of his allarm still remains with me misterious and unaccountable,” Lewis wrote. Still, he counted his blessings: “So it was, and I feelt myself not a little gratifyed that he had declined the combat.”

In the end, the Corps learned that grizzlies were best avoided, though it didn’t stop an incensed bear from treeing Private Gibson during the return journey in 1806.

Private Gibson in a tree

Private Gibson treed by a bear (illustration from Sgt. Gass's Journal)


38 posted on 07/24/2011 9:29:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Return to the strictures of the Enumerated Powers. The budget will balance.)
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To: Squantos
My favorite passage...

By this time, Lewis’s bravado had all but disappeared. “This bear being so hard to die reather intimedates us all; I must confess that I do not like the gentlemen and had reather fight two Indians than one bear; there is no other chance to conquer them by a single shot but by shooting them through the brains… the flece and skin were as much as two men could possibly carry.”

39 posted on 07/24/2011 9:31:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Return to the strictures of the Enumerated Powers. The budget will balance.)
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To: quantim

Seems like some elements of this program are poorly thought out. With even my limited experience hiking in the lower 48 which is safer in most areas then Alaska, I would be watching young people like a hawk. There are too many things that can go wrong, I don’t even take friends on a 1/2 day hike in tame woods without examining all potential problems. The heck with bears, there are snakes, wild dogs, crazy people and lots of reasons to have at least a gun or several out in any serious wild area. Even black bears scare the crap out of me, so an area with really big grizzly bears would definitely see me packing. I am the type of nervous cautious person who hangs the food up in a tree away from the tent and keeps the weapon in the tent. My uncle never camped or hiked with a gun but I always thought he was lucky and he was very aware of things around him. If you take people out into the woods you are responsible for them and your average person can find really stupid things to do. I had some friends who got lost in a small 500 acre woods for hours. I fell down a ravine as a kid and could of died within sight of houses. Somebody dropped the ball on this.


40 posted on 07/24/2011 9:33:16 PM PDT by dog breath
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