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1 posted on 08/16/2011 6:00:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Last stand: Mexican soldiers advance on the fort at the Alamo in the 1960 film
2 posted on 08/16/2011 6:01:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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This is a really stupid, pointless article. Is there some move on to denigrate Texas by vague, silly stories, and thereby denigrate Rick Perry?


5 posted on 08/16/2011 6:07:29 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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I read about this more than 10 years ago, no one gave it much credence back then....

I think I remember most accounts had Bowie bayonetted in bed, Disney had him using 2 pistols and 2 knives first.


8 posted on 08/16/2011 6:09:21 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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What ever......


9 posted on 08/16/2011 6:10:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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Wonder would it have been different if he had the technology of a *flash mob*?


12 posted on 08/16/2011 6:11:04 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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Well, he told US. Now ask him about the Charge of the Light
Brigade. And the American Revolution. And the War of 1812. And Lend-Lease. And on and on and on . . .


13 posted on 08/16/2011 6:11:33 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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A very great historian once pointed out that it is extremely important that a people in the process of being vanquished have their early heroic figures degraded. For example, why should we believe the "recently discovered" Mexican version in favor of the traditional version? Because the Anglo is currently in the process of being conquered by the Mexican.
14 posted on 08/16/2011 6:11:52 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Using recently discovered Mexican accounts of the battle....

well then, that settles that, the author will now discuss how the US should "give CA back to Mexico" in his next book because recently he met Jose Luis Rodriguez O'Leary and his virgin mother in downtown LA while purchasing money orders to send back to his other mother in Guadalajara and he said so.

15 posted on 08/16/2011 6:13:40 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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KIng of the Hill trashed these people fifteen years ago. Why is this in the news AGAIN?


16 posted on 08/16/2011 6:14:27 PM PDT by dangus
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Does this mean that the Texans lost their war for independence and that Texas belongs to Mexico??

Just wondering? It appears that Texas history is being rewritten. I was wondering how the new version ended??

18 posted on 08/16/2011 6:15:28 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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What a Crock-et.

Ummm..they held Santa Ana at bay for 13 days. Ok...so Davy was not swingin a rifle at their heads...Instead he was murdered after being captured. Oh..ok...that changes history as we know it.

I am not sure what the big revelations in this book are supposed to be,why this was written about at all and what this person’s point is. Crocket died at the Alamo. Thats what the history says. And it was 13 DAYS and 20 minutes. To pic a nit.

Ahh revisionism. What a jerk.


21 posted on 08/16/2011 6:21:02 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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Maybe I missed it, but in the article I did not see the literary, historical credentials or background of this Phillip Thomas Tucker. He wrote this book, based on one “discovered” Mexican diary? Where is the research?


23 posted on 08/16/2011 6:22:30 PM PDT by baa39
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It is convenient to throw every other bit of evidence out of the window, and say all that was so much myth, because here is another bit of evidence that contradicts it. Are we to believe that Mexican officers were not into any myth making of their own? The problem, always, is sorting through all this. For example, when was Santa Ana’s army first reported as entering the disputed territory, and how do you account for the days between then and some other event about which we have pretty strong information?

The following are some notes I jotted down when reading the papers of Franklin Perry, Stephan Samuel Perry and James F. Perry of Brazoria County, Texas. While the letters preserved in those papers do not speak directly to the Alamo, they do speak to the desperateness of the situation from the Texian point of view. More directly, these are letters written in absolute candor, as, for example, men preparing to meet their maker give instructions to their friend or their wife on what they should do. The letter written from Cincinnati, of a man seeking to discover the dreaded truth about his son who volunteered for the Texas cause is especially poignant. There can be no suspicion that these were puff pieces written for political purposes or for historical glory.

1836 – a letter from “camp at Burnhams on Colorado” dated March 16 – “We have retired to this place…from as we suppose by a large Mexican force. We have every reason to believe that Santa Ana at the head of a large army will make a descent upon the lower country and sweep the coast… I would most earnestly recommend to you to abandon your place and move with all the property you can toward Sabine… No doubt an asylum will be offered in the United States to all those who may be driven from this country… Take to the field for we all have to fight and desperately too or our all will be lost… Show this to our immediate friends. Do not cause any excitement. Your friend, A. Somervell.”

Reply: “I cannot think Santa Ana can take Texas with the force he now has. I will be up in the morning as early as I can get my horse. Yours, J.F. Perry.”

1836 – a letter from New Orleans dated April 13 – “With deep regret we have seen…the late disastrous news from your colony and cannot but hope that much has been exaggerated and that the gloomy anticipations which were entertained by many of your neighbors will prove premature. Your obedient servants, John A. Merle & Co.”

1836 – a letter to his wife from Galveston dated April 15 – “I leave this morning for the mouth of the river with Capt. Fuller to procure some tools which we want here… I don’t know we will be gone. You will hear the news from the army and must do as you think best. If necessary retreat further back. Capt. Scott told me if necessary he would move his family with you… Adieu, James F. Perry.”

1836 – a letter to his wife from aboard ship dated April 26 – “While at Valesco, I returned to our plantation and found everything undisturbed… I have left all our things in charge of Wm. B. Aldredge…and directed him to ship most of our things to New Orleans and in case any accident should happen to me to send the Negroes to you or let you know where they are… J.F. Perry.”

1836 – a letter from Cincinnati dated June 2 – “I regret sir my not having met you an had a personal introduction to you as I feel intensely anxious to ascertain the fate of a brave and chivalrous brother, Richard Disney, Esq., a young man whose clear and classical education fitted him for almost any situation in life, but who unfortunately as I fear left us in spite of our wishes and…joined the Texian army as a private and a volunteer. Knowing our opposition, he never even took a formal farewell of us, but left my father’s house leaving nearly all his clothes behind him in order to avoid suspicion. My father pursued him to Louisville, but in vain. Accident last winter through a man in the way of another brother who happened to be at New Orleans who said that Richard was in the Texian army, a first lieutenant, and stationed at Goliad. A few days subsequently to that brought us a letter from my brother Richard data 22 February 1836 at Goliad, in which he said he held the office of first lieutenant in the Texian army. He stated that he had joined them as a private… All this was corroborated by the man at New Orleans who remarked that Richard’s bravery at Tampico…was such as to win the respect and confidence of his associates and that at Goliad he had been made a first lieutenant… All this detail, my dear sir, may appear tiresome to you, but…you will recollect that it relates to a beloved brother. And, I mention them to you for the purpose of aiding you in the inquiry which I beg of you to make in regard to his fate… Your most obedient servant, D.T. Disney.”


24 posted on 08/16/2011 6:24:23 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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Of course the Mexican version will be “Enhanced” I really do not think that the Mexican Army was going to sneak up on the Alamo,I prefer our version of the American’s going down Fighting. Screw them it is like our Liberals trying to be factual!


28 posted on 08/16/2011 6:29:26 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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The 'last stand' at the Alamo on March 6, 1836 came after a small band of Americans held out for 13 days against the army of Mexican dictator General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.

Only lasted 20 minutes?

What were the previous 13 days?

Party time?
What a miserable POS revisionist.
Did he change his name from Lopez?

31 posted on 08/16/2011 6:39:48 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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no, it has lasted almost 180 years.


32 posted on 08/16/2011 6:40:15 PM PDT by struggle
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20 minutes? I think they mean 13 days and 20 minutes.


33 posted on 08/16/2011 6:48:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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Fine, spin it anyway you want.
But the Alamo was only prelude to San Jacento.

And to Anglicize a popular FR tagline;
Come And Take It.

35 posted on 08/16/2011 6:50:24 PM PDT by norton
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And we believe the Mexicans why? This is the same Mexican army who hid their General in a private’s uniform under a dress, as I remember, when Sam Houston captured him at the battle of San Jacinto.


37 posted on 08/16/2011 6:53:36 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Even in the movie the final action didn’t last more than twenty minutes.


38 posted on 08/16/2011 6:55:41 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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